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Recently we had a bunch of new accounts show up.

They immediately made a bunch of posts in "atheism" that were only made to insult and agitate atheist users on poal.

Saying things like how we are jews, how we are moral relativists, and how we are leftists, none of which are true of myself.

their whole argument style is just repeating the same damaging accusations over and over and making posts between each other talking about these accusations as if they were true.

they also keep telling us what we believe in and what we are like, trying to force positions on us that we do not hold to, in general not people you can argue with. How can you make a case when your opponent keeps trying to tell you that you are a strawman they set up and attacks that the whole time?

I suspect these are shills trying to use a known fracture point in dissident communities to sow chaos on this platform, i responded, but dont know if that was the right thing to do.

I dont know what should be done here, i dont want bans, but i also dont want atheists like myself to be evicted from the dissident community on poal, as a cultural takeover orchestrated by shills might lead this site to bad places.

can someone investigate and tell me if im just being paranoid for no reason?

also, i dont like how they just come and insult me over and over, while ive shown no interest in striking at them.

i really dont now how to feel about this, maybe i just need to calm down and nothing needs to be done, ive seen so many dissident sites get shut down, and right now i know that across the world white nationalists are getting extra attention, we are being talked about as a group that needs to be cracked down on.

this might be some early acts of cyberops intended to fuck with our communities using what is known to be a sensitive issue in our parts of the internet.

Recently we had a bunch of new accounts show up. They immediately made a bunch of posts in "atheism" that were only made to insult and agitate atheist users on poal. Saying things like how we are jews, how we are moral relativists, and how we are leftists, none of which are true of myself. their whole argument style is just repeating the same damaging accusations over and over and making posts between each other talking about these accusations as if they were true. they also keep telling us what we believe in and what we are like, trying to force positions on us that we do not hold to, in general not people you can argue with. How can you make a case when your opponent keeps trying to tell you that you are a strawman they set up and attacks that the whole time? I suspect these are shills trying to use a known fracture point in dissident communities to sow chaos on this platform, i responded, but dont know if that was the right thing to do. I dont know what should be done here, i dont want bans, but i also dont want atheists like myself to be evicted from the dissident community on poal, as a cultural takeover orchestrated by shills might lead this site to bad places. can someone investigate and tell me if im just being paranoid for no reason? also, i dont like how they just come and insult me over and over, while ive shown no interest in striking at them. i really dont now how to feel about this, maybe i just need to calm down and nothing needs to be done, ive seen so many dissident sites get shut down, and right now i know that across the world white nationalists are getting extra attention, we are being talked about as a group that needs to be cracked down on. this might be some early acts of cyberops intended to fuck with our communities using what is known to be a sensitive issue in our parts of the internet.

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Thanks for the advice.

I will try to remember it, sometimes you got to think outside the options you are given, you can simply ignore what is before you as a distraction, artificially limiting your range of movement, and see the possibilities of the whole picture, you always have other options.

I see so many people talking about "the rules", "we have to do this, because those are the rules", they don't realize that the essence of rules are consequences, and by being the ones who deliver those consequences, they have become a part of the very rules which they claim to despise.

When conservatives talk about laws, or principles, or morals, or beliefs, or things like that, they fail to see that the only things that matters is the actions one can take (not just within the bounds of the "rules"), and the consequences that might occur in response to those actions, if they own the courts, it doesn't matter that they break every rule in the book, because there is no one to impose consequences upon them, and as such those words in those sacred documents are about as binding over them as the words in a manifesto written by an edgy 13 year old.

It is only when they are enforced that rules exist as real forces that shape the behaviors of others.

Also, do not think power is what matters, if the strongest man in the world were to do nothing, he would be weaker than the weakest man who actually does something with his strength, in practical terms, it is the will to use power that matters, and how the power you have is used is more important than the amount of it you possesses, what power is is freedom, it opens options for you to act, places for you to go, knowledge for you to acquire, if you do not make good use of it, you may as well not have it (I don't even have to grind in an rpg to fight a boss with maxed out stats and team-killing potential if he just sits there the whole battle, if he wastes all his turns increasing his strength, but never actually attacking, it's still an easy win).