I poked around with it in the 80's beige boxing and hacking payphones and stuff. Im a programmer now and took some pretty intense exploit programming courses in college at the post graduate level in the early 2000's when they still required programmers to know how networking and computers work even down to the metal. Mostly I don't partake in the white or black hat game other than to fuck with the white hats at work and as your song says their "threat models" lol and how they are always signing up for some new security service to protect them while they let indian contractors write shit that does dumb stuff like parse xml files out of public facing ftp servers.