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Long and short of it: Rejected from pharmacy school. No wait-list, nothing. Just flat rejected.

Seeing as I'm not a veteran of a world war and not a great orator, becoming Hitler II is not a career option.

Now I'm stuck wondering what the fuck I even do. Thoughts right now are janitor in shitty store living in shitty apartment by myself or something along those lines. Already worked four fucking years trying to be a doctor of some sort (choice of specialty varied over the last few years) and now I can't even get in to one of the easiest kinds of programs to get in to.

Go the MBA route and do something with that maybe? Not like I'd know what to do with it.

Just start throwing ideas out that aren't blatantly stupid, really. (Ex: Israeli Foreign Legion)

Obligatory: Damn it. Hope you non-degenerates are having a good day though!

Long and short of it: Rejected from pharmacy school. No wait-list, nothing. Just flat rejected. Seeing as I'm not a veteran of a world war and not a great orator, becoming Hitler II is not a career option. Now I'm stuck wondering what the fuck I even do. Thoughts right now are janitor in shitty store living in shitty apartment by myself or something along those lines. Already worked four fucking years trying to be a doctor of some sort (choice of specialty varied over the last few years) and now I can't even get in to one of the easiest kinds of programs to get in to. Go the MBA route and do something with that maybe? Not like I'd know what to do with it. Just start throwing ideas out that aren't blatantly stupid, really. (Ex: Israeli Foreign Legion) Obligatory: Damn it. Hope you non-degenerates are having a good day though!

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trade school apprenticeship program.

journeyman electrical. journeyman plumbing. home inspector. HVAC repair. CDL trucking. etc...

You'll do a lot better than pharmacy.

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^ This.

My youngest brother apprenticed as an electrician. Now he's a master, and he works for himself, picking up jobs off Craigslist. If a customer pisses him off, he walks away and goes to the next person on the list.

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Being able to walk away from shitty customers is one of the best "perks". Many jobs consider it rude to call the customer out politely, and refuse to tolwrate second class behaviour.

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Niggers. You don't have to deal with them.

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if this do the fire alarm course.

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Plumbers make shit tons.

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Swore off plumbing when I saw guys cutting out old shit pipe over head in a hospital with a sawzall. Pipefitting is a much cleaner trade and pays just as well if not more. Now I work at an electrical outfit and that's really the bees knees.

That's drainage, the shitty part of plumbing. Most of my work is replacing valves, pipe, hot water tanks and other fixtures.

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Shitty way to earn it.

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Money doesn't care if it's got shit on it.

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CDL trucking is the fastest way to make money, training for 3-6 weeks and immediate job, reapply next year.

If you do not know why you were rejected, ask them and figure it out, low grade somewhere? take some courses and boost your GPA online.

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That's also one of the top jobs on the pending automation chopping block though...

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Maybe for over the road hauls but there are plenty of industries that need CDL drivers that can operate equipment (boom trucks, mounted forklifts) that will not be automated in the coming years.

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Yes good money in all of these. If you have a CDL then you can walk-in almost anywhere in the entire country. The more experience the better. Some companies pay you to get one even.

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Yep. I also recommend getting your tanker and hazmat endorsement. Then you can make $100,000+/yr while driving around with the best corner office view you could ask for.

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I wouldn't get the hazmat endorsement unless you have a job lined up

It's stupid expensive and has to be renewed every year

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Sitting on your ass all day is unhealthy. Most truckers deteriorate quickly after 40.

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Trade school 100%

Get experience in the field, a contractor's license, then start your own service company.

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trade school apprenticeship program.

Damn it.

Worst comes to worst, that's probably what I'm looking at. Only thing with trades is we all get old and I fucking hate traveling.

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ok.

after 10 years experience you hire some juniors.

by 15 years you're mostly in the office sending people out on jobs.

by 20 years your successful plumbing business pulls in plenty of money and you don't have to lift a finger.

then you sell it for loads of money and retire early.

huh?

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Why would someone downvote this? It's great advice. I'll add that you want to work your ass of in your 20s while you have the energy to work 60 to 80 hours a week. By time you're in your 30s/40s and built up your reputation for good work, you just handle the business side and let the young guys handle the labor.

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And to add, you're not living up to the username. That's totally reasonable.

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Hey, I am currently working on a trade job and while the pay isn't the best (to be fair, it is my first year) it is decent and stable, unlike many other jobs, trade jobs are almost always needed, so the demand is there. Anyhow, you know what they say, beggars can't be choosers, so you gotta play with the cards you are given.

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Some trades don't require a lot of traveling. I work in a metal fabrication shop doing a standard 40 hours a week making structural steel pieces. Never had a job that felt this good before this one.

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I am 50, been remodeling condos and houses 30 years. Yeah, I am shattered when I come home, but fit as hell, and never sick.

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Married to a pharmacist... avoid. Pay isn't Nearly as good as claims, atrocious work environment (you're expected to out-perform robots if doing retail, have the bureaucracy everyone abhors if you stay clinical), and the market is flat out FLOODED with someone else willing to do your job for less, because they can't get a job. On-call 24/7, under constant risk of being sued for a mistake made by anyone from a nurse who gets a detail wrong, to a Dr who flat out doesn't give a fuck (all of them, zero exceptions), to a minimum wage tech who reads/fills/labels wrong ~ the Pharmacist is always named in the lawsuit. Never-mind the 4 years cost of the school. It is a shitty career if you value mental health and a quality life.

You know what she's doing now? Dabbling in making jewelry, doing ceramics and this will be year one of trying to sell cut flowers. Things she enjoys doing for herself anyway that can be some income (she makes enough to cover all costs right now.) There's some warning there from myself though, I was a motorcycle nut, 2-wheels only for a decade, roadracing addiction, and thought to make turning wrenches my career. In under 2 years I was so completely burned out that I didn't even own a motorcycle anymore, it's been 18 years now and I miss the passion I had, but it's salted earth.

So pick something you like, but NOT your passion. If you're risk tolerant, you'll make more money doing risky things (underwater welding, lineman doing tower work, etc...) ~ if you're smart enough to recognize that a quality life isn't dependent on "bought things", you can easily have a solid life without risk or doing things you find appalling. I understand that there's an absolute dearth of watch repairmen, they essentially set their own hours and rates (one 80y/o I know charges nearly $300 hour, doesn't need the money, has knowledge from 6 decades that others don't).

Given your lingo, sounds like you might be in the UK... don't they offer free land for operating a small-holding? Basically homesteading, that way 100% of your labor is an investment in your life. How about a farrier, shoeing horses is apparently a Very physical job with a short-ish career (about 25 years) but the pay makes up for it. I know a guy who is paid to travel, he works boats (as in privately owned sailing vessels) for a living and helps with both transporting them from point to point and as crew when the owners want to use them. He's been doing that for nearly a decade now, was some sort of office cubie worker before that.

I look at those examples and they all have a common thread, supporting the hobby of rich fucks. What else do those 1%'s do with their ill-gotten gains in the name of "fun", and how can you weasel your way into doing the dirty/complicated work they won't to do themselves? Shit, like cars? How about auto detailing, or photography?

First paragraph... Yeah. That's everything I've heard from pharmacists.

So pick something you like, but NOT your passion.

No gaming or computers, got it.

Or hunting... But it's hard to make a job out of that.

if you're smart enough to recognize that a quality life isn't dependent on "bought things", you can easily have a solid life without risk or doing things you find appalling.

Oh, dude, it's just going to be me. I don't need a huge lawn, 2 story house, and a Ferrari or whatever. Most expensive thing I'd want would be one of those newer Corvette models or a nice pool in the backyard with some landscaping. Some.

I understand that there's an absolute dearth of watch repairmen, they essentially set their own hours and rates (one 80y/o I know charges nearly $300 hour, doesn't need the money, has knowledge from 6 decades that others don't).

O.O

Damn.

Given your lingo, sounds like you might be in the UK.

🤣 Oklahoma, actually.

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Goddam Okies, always tryna akk all British n sheeeeit

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OKC is booming. I get calls from recruiters trying to get me to come up there all the time. If you like computers, go into electrical, low-voltage, or HVAC. You will start off doing grunt work, but all those systems are all now controlled by computer systems and they need people who know how to program them. You will not make much money and be treated like shit for five years, so be prepared for that. After you have enough experience, if you post your resume online, your phone will ring all day long and your inbox will fill up quick. You'll always have options. I actually had to take my resume offline because the calls became annoying.

I would avoid Fire Alarm. Every fire alarm technician I've ever met, except for one, has been a real big piece of shit. Plus it's boring.

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I'm an IT grad that eventually shifted into construction. I saw a lot of bullshit in this thread and decided to make an account.

1) Join the union! Megabucks! Job security!

Ok, first, joining a union isn't like you go down to your local and say "Hello, sir, I want to be an apprentice!" Apprenticeships are very shitty jobs that are extremely competive. Between immigrants, people that can barely count to five, and druggies, you are fighting for a spot in what is practically the largest labor pool in any fucking industry. Oh, and your degree doesn't mean dick.

To be an apprentice, you need to have experience. At least two years is best. And even then you will probably be on a waiting list for at least a year. And you will need to be willing to work for basically minimum wage for at least a year or two. You can bypass some of this if you're willing to relocate, but your best bets are going to be God forsaken country: middle of nowhere North Dakota, smell like a camel's nutsack Texas, etc.

You will work long ass hours, do horrible ass work, and probably travel a lot. If you are lucky, you'll make friends with someone who knows what they are doing, and they will actually teach you something. You are the absolute bottom of the totem pole. You will be treated as expendable. If you don't work out, it doesn't matter, because they probably have thousands of people who will replace you.

Oh but you'll become a journeyman eventually and then it'll all be better. Yeah, no. Remember that job security? Remember that whole "you will travel a lot" thing? Well I hope you enjoy two star hotels and shacking up with 1-3 other guys, because that will be your life for several years. You will make decent money at this point depending on your trade, but it will be at the cost of a family, a social life, and a home, and it won't be anything remotely close to your career path at the moment.

So, given a rough estimation of your age, you will be about 35-40 before things get good. That is assuming that A) you haven't gone crazy, B) you haven't sustained some fucked up injury, and C) you haven't become a drug addict. People vastly overestimate the amount of money you will make though, and they always seem to forget you will be working 60 hours or so a week. Don't get me wrong, it is good money at this point. You will be solidly middle class. But it's a hard ass road to get there man.

That doesn't mean the shit stops though. Unions create a special kind of bullshit to deal with. Let's take you into a scenario. You are working a commercial job, and the electricians misread the prints. They put an outlet at I don't know, 24 inches when it was supposed to be 16. You can't do shit unless this outlet is at 16 inches. You also can't move the outlet, because that's not your union.

So option A), you move the outlet. their supervisor is going to scream at you. And I don't mean like he's going to be upset, I mean like you might end up hitting this motherfucker. Your boss is going to get bitched out. For a long time. He's not going to blame you, but he's going to be fucking aggravated. Their union might file a complaint against your union, at which point you will basically go to a court hearing to justify you moving this outlet. All of it is very bad. You probably won't get in trouble, but it will be remembered.

Option B) you don't move the outlet. Your boss is going to get bitched out. For a long time. He's not going to blame you, but he's going to be fucking aggravated. He's going to go scream at their supervisor. And I don't mean like he's going to be mad, I mean like you're going to be wondering at what point you and the other carpenters are supposed to go kick all the electricians' asses. Your union is going to file a complaint against their union, because they fucked up your union's schedule. You will have to basically go to court to explain why you didn't move this outlet. You probably won't get in trouble but it will be remembered.

Another scenario. You walk into a dark room. You flip a light switch and turn the light on. You get suspended and sent off the job. Because you were not authorized to operate, modify, or interact with any electrical installation or appliance on the work area. Because that's not your union. Your boss gets bitched at. Their boss gets bitched at. You lose weeks of pay because you didn't think to ask an electrician to turn on a light for you. It will definitely be remembered and probably affect your career.

Now, I know that probably sounds ridiculous, but I have actually been there when this shit happened. And I know I seem like I am picking on electricians (honestly they fucking deserve it but OK), but I am trying to emphasize the extreme amount of convoluted bureaucracy that is involved in working union jobs.

Now besides that, there's also a kind of open secret that a lot of unions are damned near criminal. I can't even begin to list the ways a union will fuck you to death for stepping out of line. Plumbers are the worst about this. Plumbing is a gravy job 90% of the time. I know there's this perception about "Oh my gosh, a shitpipe just exploded in my face" or whatever, but most of the time you're probably doing the least amount of work for the most pay, which is incredible because electricians don't do dick.

2) So don't be in a union. Do your own thing. You'll be a gagillionaire with a mcmansion in five years, bro.

No. Well, maybe. But you're going to be working 80 hours a week, if not more. You're going to deal with rejection, a lot. You're going to bend your morals for them dollar signs. You're going to meet a lot of strange ass people, some of which are openly hostile to you for no reason. You're going to explain the same shit over and over again, because people don't know dick about construction. You're going to be responsible for a crew of guys, and their families, in one of the most heavily regulated industries in existence. You're going to have to be a complete prick sometimes, especially as people on construction aren't often the most well adjusted. If you fuck up, you will lose everything important to you. If they fuck up, you might lose everything important to you. You will need to be a CEO, a construction worker, a foreman, and a salesman all at the same time. It's not easy. It requires a lot of drive, discipline, and intelligence. And even when you're doing everything right, you're going to get bent over and absolutely raped sometimes.

3) Well fuck all that then, just be a tradesman!

I mean, yeah. It's not a bad idea. Honestly. You can easily work a standard 40 and make about 40-50k a year in a few years if you have any talent. In fact you will probably make more in the short term than any job you would get out of college. I hire guys at 12 an hour and bump them to 16 6-12 months later if they seem good. My top guy makes about 30 an hour, but he's way above the rest and is basically a business partner. I will tell you this though, if you don't hit that "30 an hour" mark (metaphorically speaking) by age 50, I hope you planned your retirement really well. Because you're most likely going to be too broken to be worth keeping as a hand and just not have the shit to be in any other position. I know way too many gray haired tradesmen hustling around like 20 somethings, just praying for that social security to kick in. And dude, if you have a construction resume, you're getting passed over a lot for any work that isn't construction.

Now, I'm not shitting on trade jobs. If anything, turning to trades was one of the best decisions of my life. But I think it's important to be realistic about it. If you're kind of on the fence, which it seems like you are, an MBA seems like the best route. There's also project management, civil engineering, and a whole slew of other programs that will get you a leg up in trades. You should be focusing on how to use your mind more than your back. Keep in mind, there's a reason people who can't hack it in college or high school end up in trades. You have an advantage in that you're relatively intelligent. Use it.

If you decide you want to go into the trades, here is my advice as someone who was in a similar position: find a relatively small crew and join as a helper/general labor. Avoid big companies where you will be lost in the shuffle. If you have a brain, your boss will notice. I have worked for guys that didn't make it out of eighth grade. This isn't high school where everything is a pissing contest and it's nerds vs jocks or whatever. If you can use trigonometry to figure out what cuts you need to make without even looking at the roof, motherfuckers will respect you or even fear you. My first year on the job, I was supervising guys that had over a decade of experience. I have essentially been offered to take over three different companies. Because I listened in high school. I'm not saying that to be a prick, just you should consider yourself a commodity, not because you have a piece of paper, but because you're easily trained and you have the potential to make more money for the company than your peers. Despite this, above all, be humble. Be a leader.

Look into plumbing (residential is best to start unless you can operate heavy machinery), trim/finish carpentry, and god help me, electricity. They are the jobs you do the least back breaking shit and make the most money. They're also considered "advanced" which drops the pool of competition significantly. You can learn a lot of what you need to bullshit yourself into the position on the internet. The rest is a willingness to work hard and not be afraid to fail. The most important thing though is finding something you enjoy doing. Because you will be doing the same thing a lot. Granted, making $400 in 4 hours helps to make it a lot less tedious, but still.

Focus on the physical aspects of the job. Learn to cut straight, how to use tools, so forth. Develop muscle memory. The mental aspect of trade jobs is fairly low. I'm not saying that to be a prick, again. But the tricky shit in general construction is not hard to understand.

If you decide you really want to get into this kind of work, and you're in the SE US, let me know and we can talk. I am always looking for good hands, even if they don't have their callouses yet.

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He's in Oklahoma. They don't have that union shit there. Unions are mostly an East Coast thing. There is the IBEW, but they also have the IEC. If you want to spend your life wallowing away waiting in line for seniority, you go to the IBEW. IBEW apprentices make $12-$14/hr. If you have any sort of talent and smarts, go to the IEC. I've seen IEC shops starting experienced apprentices off at like $20/hr.

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Re-apply, and apply to as many pharmacy programs you can. If this is what you want to do, pursue it harder. A friend of mine took years to get into dental school, and had to first complete dental hygiene school as a condition.

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It's funny, I was looking at dental hygienist school earlier. My primary hand is shaky though. Damaged. Doubt going that route is viable at all due to that. It's why I shifted away from wanting to go to dental school to pharmacy school.

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That’s too bad about the hand. Let us know what you end up pursuing.

Will do, Mr. fuckyoufuckyou. For the foreseeable future though, I'm just a directionless asshole that knows too much about a the wrong things.

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My primary hand is shaky though. Damaged.

Oh yeah, I want you mixing my drugs. For sure. :)

If you want them shaken and not stirred, I'm your guy.

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The trouble with professional careers right now is that they're close to saturated and have an exorbitant cost of entry.

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Filipinas have drenched the nursing/dental assistant fields, they work cheap and usually are reliable and not on drugs

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Same here.

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Pharmacists is one of the jobs that immigrants go for first. It's a good job and easily abused. No actual labour involved. In my city they are all Indian/black/asian

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If you have to wait, it's not worth it. My brother waited 2-3 years to get in dental and was kicked out 3/4ths of the way through the coarse because he had shaky hands and the meds he was on to deal with it was fucking him up. Told him to go into trade but he just randomly wanted to be a dental assistant for some reason. Now he is extremely blackedpill cause of all the time he wasted.

I swear he's an older me from another timeline if that's the case.

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Don't waste your youth, find something you know you will do for many years or until retirement and stick to it. Be reasonable and don't think your going to become an astronaut or a neurosurgeon. Get your shit together soon or you will be hit with existential crisis one day like me, time fucking flies the older you get and time stops for no one. Funny, I also wanted to be a politician like Hitler but reality sets in, i'm fine being cannon fodder for someone better to lead.

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Turn right back around and tell the Pharmacy school you are trans. They'll practically suck your dick begging you to enter them.

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Or put on the app that they are African American. Then after just say specifically South African American.

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Why aren't you getting into pharmacy school? What can you do to get back on track?

Otherwise look at high paying jobs that are within your capacity and pick one that interests you the most and just go for it.

Why aren't you getting into pharmacy school?

Didn't call to ask yet, been sick as Hell and I sound like I've smoked a pack a day since I was born. Once I'm over this stuff I'll get to figuring that out.

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Why aren't you getting into pharmacy school?

Not OP, but I can probably guess: too white.

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Since the 'seinfeld' city living is a thing of the past and there's no reason to live urban anymore consider looking into a trade school to be an electrician or plumber and live in the exurbs. If you are out in places like Nebraska the women are blonde and blue eyed. Army and Navy are an option but you may have to go fight for a useless war for the jews like my friends did...

Oh dude, suburbs and cities are not my thing. Rural/small town or nothing.

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Trades: I constantly hear there's a lack of qualified electricians/welders/plumbers. Given the prices they charge I suspect they're not lying. can probably give you more guidance on this than I possibly could.

Take the shitty janitor job and upskill on the side: You can earn a decent degree in something like computer science online for around $18,000 over 3 or so years, so $3,000 per semester. PM me for details if you're interested. Don't bother with US universities, they're all overpriced relative to what they actually deliver. Don't bother with a student loan. If you do go this route it's important to focus on a professional path that doesn't demand you live in a lefty metropolis virtue signalling to other lefties.

Take a shitty job in a franchise somewhere like McDonalds. Fast food and retail usually have paths for serious employees to gain management experience and work their way up the ladder. Those kinds of companies are used to dealing with high staff turnover, so staff that are actually willing to commit to working there long term are usually able to earn higher wages and gain training. In some cases they even have MBA type programs built in. Downside is that big megacorps like that will inevitably have jewish diversity policies, and they'll get worse the higher you go. I'd see this as a "do it for ten to fifteen years then move on" type of job.

Merchant marine. The US has protectionist policies when it comes to US shipping and crews, so you can access a bunch of crew positions that would normally be filled by philippinos and chinese in other countries. I gather you'll need to start off on smaller vessels, like fishing boats, before you'll be offered a place on merchant ships. If you want to go the officer route you'll probably need to attend a professional training academy of some kind to qualify. They're not unaffordable, they're similar in complexity and price to qualifying as a pilot. I gather there's a lot of competition for officer jobs though, so you might be better off going the ABS route.

Might be worth looking into options in primary economic activities also (farming, mining, herding, fishing etc.). I have little contact with farming businesses in general, and none in the US, so I don't know exactly how you'd get started, but I know there's a lot of seasonal work in those kinds of businesses. For example, a friend of mine once spent three months gutting fish in Alaska during one of their fishing seasons. He said the guys doing it regularly were able to earn a years' living expenses in three months, which isn't as amazing as it sounds, but it's still not bad. Once you build up experience you might be able to qualify for loans to start your own business. The major upside to this kind of option is that those kinds of communities tend to be very white and very conservative.s

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Go the trade route. If it suits you then do HVAC, plumbing, or electrical. You can make good money. However, those tradesmen are a dime a dozen. Specialized trades is where it's at. I'm a fire protection contractor and I can tell you first hand it's in very high demand. Way more so than the MEP trades. Ten years in business for myself and not once have I had to advertise and I still have to turn down work on a weekly basis.

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Out of curiosity, what do you actually do? Fire protection as in installing sprinkler systems and such? Or do you consult with engineers about what mechanisms they need to include in their designs?

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In my case, yes, fire sprinklers. I don't install but I have a license that allows me to if I wanted to. I work more on the design and consulting side.

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I can see why that would be lucrative. Is there a professional association that limits numbers in your field? Or is there just a lack of interest in pursuing it?

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If you don’t want to get into the plumbing side of fire protection, look into the fire alarm monitoring/security side of it. It’s an adjacent career, an I’ve been doing okay despite the pandemic in it.

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I'm not personally considering it. I'm always just curious about how these things work. I would've assumed this was something engineers did for example.

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Find a local union and learn a trade. DO NOT GET A MBA

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I think there can be an argument for it if you're seriously pursuing a management career path. I wouldn't pay for one though, some companies offer them as part of an internship type deal.

DO NOT GET A MBA

So what you're saying is... Don't get an MBA? Not sure that was clear enough. :)

First time I've heard that, apart from MrShill's reply. The trade thing isn't something I'd ideally do, but it may come to it.

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The companies who care about MBAs either won't hire young white men, or you just will never get promoted.

Its been my observation that a mba is just a cope for being directionless post undergrad. And you're giving good money to a college that hates you to qualify yourself to a company that also hates you.

All solid points there. I could play up the Cherokee card but seeing as I have the Germanic phenotype... Nah. They wouldn't care.

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