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What the actual fuck? Do jews really have this much market control gold and silver should be going up at insane levels! They have to be buying up all the gold and silver keeping the prices low it makes no fucking sense

What the actual fuck? Do jews really have this much market control gold and silver should be going up at insane levels! They have to be buying up all the gold and silver keeping the prices low it makes no fucking sense

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[–] 12 pts

(((clown world)))

yes, the jews have that kind of control. they are robbing us blind and making gullible goyim think crypto has value.

[–] 2 pts

Crypto has value just as any other medium for exchange. If it didn't have value it wouldn't be over 50k a coin.

[–] 10 pts

Crypto has "value" in that it can be converted into another fiat currency that the world accepts as valid and valuable. Without a fiat currency to convert it into, crypto is worthless. The measure of "50K" per coin shows this flaw. You can't describe the worth of crypto without describing it in some other currency. crypto is also worthless without the internet.

[–] 3 pts

Jews control fiat through central banks and currency manipulation. Jews can't control bitcoin because it's programmatically defined, open source, distributed, and requires global consensus to change (manipulate).

I can store it in my head and the government can't just come take it. Let's say you have gold that, at the current exchange rate, could be sold for $5M USD. Better hope nobody knows you have that in your basement... Being invaded and need to flee? Hope you don't get robbed on your journey. Want to send it to your friend on the other side of the world? How you gonna do that... I sure as shit hope you don't just have an email stating, "thanks for your purchase, you now have 10 gold bars" - good luck with that if the world gets wonky.

Literally everything of value depends on someone else desiring it and being willing to give you something you deem valuable in exchange. Saying bitcoin is only valuable because others are willing to give you USD for it is fucking retarded. Yeah, you're right, and nobody disagrees, but you didn't win any arguments by stating the obvious. And this applies to USD also, and when (((somebody))) eventually kills USD it will be worthless too, and the world will move on. Shit, they're 99% of the way there... Look at the value of USD over time...

Bitcoin is dependent on the internet, and, more importantly, miners and the network. Just like USD is dependent on the US government and the US army. Currently, I have more faith in the internet and the bitcoin network. I'm trading what I have of value for BTC. If you think USD, or whatever else, is better, then you're welcome. I'm not competing with you for it, so it's cheaper for you.

Every store of value has pros and cons. I've done my research and decided bitcoin is one of the places where I want to store my value. If you prefer somewhere else, good for you. But you're argument that bitcoin=bad does not have a solid foundation

[–] 2 pts

Explain to me how it is worthless when I'm using tiny portions of my crypto to stack silver. No conversion to USD required.

You also can't describe the value of gold, silver, euros, or any other medium of trade without comparing it to something else. That's how trading works dumbass. We could say 1 btc is worth 6 million loaves of bread, but that's retarded.

[–] 1 pt

Dude, you're wrong. You can purchase all manner of things using Crypto directly. No Jew Fiat involved.

[–] 1 pt

No you stupid faggot it's a means of exchange. People bought off the SR exclusively with btc for years. People purchase with it now with no fiat involved. People store value in it. Just because you don't see value in it does not mean it doesn't exist.

I could express value in many ways. Vs the dollar is the standard. God damn you are fucking stupid. Seriously just go read a fucking book. God damn only a stupid bastard could think something purchased for 50k "has no value". What a fucking retard.

[–] 0 pt

This is easily disproven by people buying goods and services with btc. People buy cars, houses, and groceries with btc. People store value in btc. These things are easy to observe. They happen with no conversion. People use it as a means of exchange. That has value. Like it or not. And it's not a theory. Happens every second.

[–] 3 pts (edited )

Value is subjective. The question isn’t if something has value, because even the rapidly depreciating slips of paper issued by the US treasury have “value” since they’re backed up by the boot heel of a US soldier against your neck, also known as “legal tender laws.” The question is, does it have an “intrinsic” value?

Items issued by fiat, mere act of will, lack desirability as anything other than a medium of exchange. Twenty years ago, a $100 gift card for the now-defunct electronics retailer CompUSA had value as backed by the store as a medium of exchange. Today, that piece of plastic has value only as a collectible, and for a sliver of the original amount. Absent institutional backing, an issuance of fiat loses all value and has nothing intrinsic. The same would happen to the Dollar if the US government disappeared or declared total insolvency tomorrow.

By contrast, items of intrinsic value, such as ammunition, land, water, precious metals, books, food or any number of other items, have the advantage of usefulness as something other than a medium of exchange. They’re desirable and capable of being used as a medium of barter and even put to use themselves for consumption or even as a raw capital material for production of other goods. These values are individualized and subject to the whims and fancies of those interacting with them, but at their heart, their values in exchange correlate to their usefulness as a jumping off point.

One need only look at historical prison camps to assess what is of intrinsic value versus fiat. Prison camps would sometimes issue their own currencies for labor performed, but because that currency could be issued at will, as a tool of control over the economy and therefore the prisoners within the camps, the prison currency could and often did rapidly “deflate” in value, causing the value of other goods exchanged within the camps to “inflate” by way of contrast. Frequently, rather than the prison money, an alternate black market currency would rise to first compete with and ultimately supplant the prison issued money. This would typically take the form of either cigarettes or other small, easily divisible consumables like candies or even small food items with longer shelf lives like canned or dried goods.

The BitCoin problem is, absent electricity, internet, or some institution to declare its value, what can a BitCoin be used for that is any different from a gift card after a store goes out of business or dollar bill after a nation collapses financially? I’m not asking to be glib or condescending; I’m genuinely curious what intrinsic value a BitCoin or other cryptocurrencies might have.

[–] 2 pts

Your example about why the gift card stopped having value was that a specific institution stopped backing it. Your example about why prison script lost value was the supply was increased causing inflation.

Both these things are why Bitcoin works. Bitcoin doesn't require any institution to back it, it's backed by the population. The supply also cannot be increased.

I regularly use it for international transactions, it is much faster and easier than transacting in fiat.

Investment aside, I'd switch today to all crypto currency for my transactions and dump the banks entirely. We are seeing the final barriers to adoption come down, and we will see large numbers of people begin to be happy to get paid in crypto instead of fiat.

I'm not arguing which is better for mankind, in just stating this is what is happening. The people who don't see this shift happening will be the ones who thought the internet was a fad.

In a future state the line between stock, cryptocurrency/tokens, and money will blur and stop being clear. It will all be liquid and you will be able to buy a cheeseburger with a fraction of your Tesla stock.

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"If it didnt have value it wouldnt be over 50k per coin"

not how that works. at all.

[–] [deleted] 2 pts

That’s exactly how it works. Things only have value when there is a consensus. Gold is more valuable than helium despite them both being rare and difficult to mine because gold can be more easily exchanged. Coco brands used to be currency until people realized that they could get more and crashed the system. Bitcoin is accepted by enough people now (and the number continues to grow) that it does have value, and based in the rules of the system, it will cannot be mined indefinitely; there is a finite amount. That is why it’s more stable long term than usd. And, in our current world, why it is easier to move and cover than actual metals.

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No, it really is. People don't spend 50k on something of no value. Maybe a fluke but we are talking entire markets here. People trade on crypto markets because there is value dip shit.

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Recently, there are serious concerns for the potential of hyperinflation due to all of the money printing, and the real possibility of the Fed raising interest rates to fight that. A market sentiment that the interest paid on bonds will be increasing. If interest rates go up, the trading value of existing bonds goes down. So investors start to pull out of bonds. This sentiment also pulls money out of commodities in general, including gold and silver, as they pay no interest at all.. Some of that money is going into crypto. Some into stocks.

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shitcoin is not being suppressed and manipulated to any degree like gold and silver. that is why shitcoin is 50k in increasingly worthless usd. gold should be 92k and silver at least 2k a troy. the market conditions could not be better for pm's yet its price is a steal imo. jp morgan needs the rope.

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I don't disagree with any of that.

[–] 1 pt

we talked about gold on voat years ago and ive been studying it since. i appreciate it.

[–] 2 pts

Gold prices are determined every morning by 6 people in London. Heads of major financial institutions or something.

The price we see is never organic

[–] 1 pt

GAS prices up 75% over the recent past, due to ANTICIPATION of market demand after covid has passed.

That's NOT how economics are SUPPOSED to WORK.

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make an effort to understand what cryptocurrency is, what money is and why precious metals have served as money historically. Crypto-currency or digital currency has been around for a long time, but in 2009 a white paper was relelased on the cipherpunks board by a pseudoname, "Satoshi Nakamoto". This paper described a new and interesting protocol to create a fungible, immutable digital token with the similar properties to the primary alternative that has served as money throughout history; Gold.

All changes and upgrades to the protocol should strive to maintain and reinforce these Principles of Bitcoin

21 million coins will be mined in total, so the protocol provides scarcity. No censorship: Nobody should be able to prevent valid txs from being confirmed. Open-Source: Bitcoin source code should always be open for anyone to read, modify, copy, share. Permissionless: No arbitrary gatekeepers should ever prevent anybody from being part of the network (user, node, miner, etc). Pseudonymous: No ID should be required to own, use Bitcoin. Fungible: All coins are equal and should be equally spendable. Irreversible Transactions: Confirmed blocks should be set in stone. Blockchain History should be immutable.

These properties were unique in that no previous attempt at digital money could solve the double-spend problem, but this new idea presented a block chain (merkle tree model, using sha256 hashing algorithms to secure immutability), whereby the entirety of all mined tokens could be verified.

There are continuous and expanding attempts to hijack the protocol, which has thus far been proven unbreakable and grows more secure by the day.

I spent many years rejecting this idea as "nerd money" and thought that gold and silver should be used to restrict privately owned central banks from stealing the peoples life blood though inflation / deflation cycles. I was wrong and now see that this protocol is allowing people in the farthest reaches of the planet to independently survive and thrive when their governments strip them of their wealth via fiat currency manipulation. This protocol is the first time that money has evolved in 5000 years. Rothchild agents can control precious metals supply, but this protocol has already past an event horizon that makes central control impossible.

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Bitcoin has done some great things to help people escape repressive governments, but crypto isn't scarce and isn't sound money. Its current valuation is simply because people have so far chosen it over all the other cryptos.

This protocol is the first time that money has evolved in 5000 years. Rothchild agents can control precious metals supply, but this protocol has already past an event horizon that makes central control impossible.

The protocol's implementation isn't scarce, nor is the ledger.

[–] 1 pt

We are going on 11 years now and bitcoin continues to grow and thrive as the primary, original cryptocurrency drawing development effort from all over the world. Crypto may not be scarce, but bitcoin specifically will cap out at 21 million tokens and many have already been lost forever. Like tcp/ip became the default protocol for internet traffic, the bitcoin protocol appears to on track to be the primary digital cryptocurrency to represent the next generation of money for humanity.

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11 years. omg. quite the track record. too bad the people in economocally collapsed Venezuela didnt know to do trade in shitcoin and not in physical assets with inherent value.

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the one where you buy up gold and silver knowing its worth something while crypto is not and stocks are for the jews.

people wanna fuck with investments fine...

[–] 0 pt

satoshi nakomoto sounds more japanese than jewish..

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Don't you want some of that jew action?

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As long as it doesn't endager the survival of White supremacy im cool as hell with what they want me to do. They can suck my forskin right off my dick as long as Whites are left alone.

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The petro dollar became the Adrenochrome dollar, and since they've spent thier way insolvent, bitcoin was and is the human trafficking currency mefium because every bank is broke. It's untraceable and gives anonymity. I'd sell NOW if I had any.

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Wha? I hesitate to reply because you clearly don't know who uses bitcoin or why they use it, it's very traceable and does not necessarily provide any meaningful measure of anonymity. Other tokens may (i.e. Monero), but BTC does not have protections like these baked into the protocol. It does provide protection against censorship as well as confiscation, however. The protocol and block chain need to be open source so that miners and nodes can agree on transactions. What makes it unique is that it is and remains a store of value and peer-to-peer transaction without 3rd party verification. It is trustless because people cannot be trusted. We don't have to agree that we like each other, but if I agree to send you BTC in exchange for something I value, we can both agree that the sha256 hashing algorithm will verify a certain amount left my account in the block chain, and ended up in yours. Hyperbolic guesses about human trafficking have little to do with what BTC offers people, in terms of an alternative to fiat scams. And let's be honest, fiat dollars pay for more "human trafficking" than any cryptocurrency will, ever.

Stock market has to go up to make wealthy people stay silent in this fuckupetry.

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