The government does not own the means of production. Wtf?
Real communism has never been tried.
Not in the us.
Yes, it has.
The original settlers of Jamestown started out as a collectivist commune. Do you know what happened? About half the people figured out that if they were going to be fed regardless, they could just sit at home drinking beer instead of farming. This resulted in everyone starving and having to rely on the natives to survive. Hence our modern Thanksgiving holiday.
So yes, communism has in fact been tried in America and surprise surprise it ended up in people starving to death. Shocker.
It has actually.
define "the government".
I would say the rulers (not the politicians in the news) own the means of production, and run the government.
The government, it's not hard. In the US, the few own the means that f production, and exploit YOU to make them more money.
Best to get on the ownership train.
Best to get on the ownership train.
So open a business or buy shares in one that already exists.
What do you mean define? Does the government own the means of production? No, easy answer.
What is "the government"? is it the body that rules over you? did you read what you replied to? are you just being a leftist?
They 100% do, the federal reserve owns everything. There’s your one example, but it doesn’t end there. They regulate business so much so that it determines how business is done too. They also purchase stock and determine price discovery. All 100% socialist, they fooled you by using different words you don’t understand.
Federal reserve does not own my cooperative company, try again.
Banks own the property you use until it is completely paid off. Hence, they own 80-90% of the property in the US that still has a mortgage.
Your statement addresses personal property, your business, that exists under socialism. It doesn’t address the means of production we are discussing.
Under communism, the government WILL own the means of production. They say that "the people" will own it, but businesses/assets/real estate etc will all be seized by the state. Where there were once options on where to spend your money, now there is only the state. And the state does a crap job of running businesses, just look at the dmv and post office. Guess what else? If the state doesn't like you, it can cut you off from all those products and services. Or maybe it will destroy that business altogether, so the people are weakened and more easily controlled. Where before you might go down to your neighbor's ranch and get some beef, now the government has taken his acreage and killed all the cows. Do what we say to get your government cheese or starve, peasant! But it's okay, because there's no awful rich people anymore. Now we're equally poor and destitute!
Dmv and post office work well here, maybe it's where you are.
So how do you propose the means of production get taken from the few? The government seizes it. so if the people are supposed to own the means of production, is it going to be sort of like how America is supposed to be a government by the people and for the people? Like how our government is supposed to work for the people? I don't think anyone in America wants income taxed, or wants to be an endless wars, or wants to send billions or trillions of dollars of our tax dollars to other countries when we have problems here. So magically government is just going to start listening to The people under socialism, huh? the government always has the power, and will always work in its own self-interest. The more power you give it, the more it is a detriment to the individual.
That isn't reality right now.
That's history though
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