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Seems to me they are making the cost of living a normal comfortable life especially for the millenials so prohibitive that they jump at things like UBI and a socialised system run by the state.

Seems to me they are making the cost of living a normal comfortable life especially for the millenials so prohibitive that they jump at things like UBI and a socialised system run by the state.

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Oh you think socialism means you, the people, own the means of production? That's cute. There were people who thought that before. They mostly starved to death.

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Literal definition.

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That's fine. If everyone could agree on definitions and practice according to them without deviation, we'd have a dandy world here.

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That's what it means, literally. Ask anyone that works at my cooperative what it means, they will tell you the same.

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I'm glad your group is finding a way to make it work at the micro level, but at the macro level, it's going to be a plutocracy with a bunch of oligarchs that operate the nationalized monopolies. It might not be the case that you couldn't finance your business' capital goods and eventually own them, but in true communism you will simply be unable to play the game independently. The government will seize capital and represent a behemoth against which you cannot compete.

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Your co-op works because it's relatively small and (presumably) full of people of like mind. Unfortunately, governments of size will always be corrupted by the one constant in all governing systems: human nature.

Communism and international socialism often look good on paper. But in practice their governments are corrupt, non-representative, and tyrannical. They get hijacked by an oligarchy who is in it for themselves only. Which leads to suffering for everyone else. Exactly like what's festered in the USSA.