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I wouldn't call myself a holocaust denier but I've always thought the number 6 million was bogus. There seems to be a fair amount of holocaust deniers on this site, I just want to see where you guys are coming from. I'm to uneducated on the subject to pick a side yet. Can someone suggest some good reading material, news stories, documentaries on the subject? Thanks

I wouldn't call myself a holocaust denier but I've always thought the number 6 million was bogus. There seems to be a fair amount of holocaust deniers on this site, I just want to see where you guys are coming from. I'm to uneducated on the subject to pick a side yet. Can someone suggest some good reading material, news stories, documentaries on the subject? Thanks

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Someone has already mentioned the holocaust deprogramming course, which is pretty good to give you an overview about the glitches in the official story. You also should put all confessions and trials and verdicts aside, because it's clear, that russians as well as western-allies used torture to get confessions, and there were lots convictions that were proven to be false and based on state-actors actively trying to get false convictions by using lies, torture, and so any means necessary.

Here's a good overview about what has been considered as proven beyond the shadow of a doubt at the nuremberg trials: https://www.bitchute.com/video/IZBicnnkw9ZP/

Additionally I'd like to add, that a high death-rate in prison camps has to be expected even without any genocidal intentions. This is a base-rate of deaths that can be expected under the given circumstances, and if the actual rate isn't higher than this base-rate, all talk about a genocide is bullshit. Let's take the base-rate of german POWs taken at stalingrad, which were imprisoned for several years, just like jews were:

"After the Battle of Moscow and the retreat of the German forces the number of prisoners in the Soviet prisoner of war camps rose to 120,000 by early 1942.[4] The German 6th Army surrendered in the Battle of Stalingrad, 91,000 of the survivors became prisoners of war raising the number to 170,000[4] in early 1943. Weakened by disease, starvation and lack of medical care during the encirclement, many died of wounds, disease (particularly typhus spread by body lice), malnutrition and maltreatment in the months following capture at Stalingrad: only approximately 6,000 of them lived to be repatriated after the war."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union

If my math doesn't fail me, 1 in 30 survived a soviet prison camp for several years, and german POWs didn't include women and old people, which have a higher natural rate of death than fighting-age men. And since nobody says that soviets were mass-murdering germans, you can't argue, that it's not normal and without ill intent, if 96% of prisoners die. But okay, we're no sophists here, and know that soviets have committed a genocide against germans. So you have to somewhat lower the rate of expected deaths in any prison camp. But you'd still come to a large percentage of people dying of natural causes due to the breakdown of the infrastructure, which led to lack of food, catastrophic hygiene, and the resulting outbreak of disease, which would look like mass-murder during peacetimes, but must be considered as without ill intent during the war they fought back then. It can only be genocide or mass-murder, if the number is higher than that. Which it isn't.

IMHO in the end any reasonable person would conclude, that huge numbers have simply died because of the conditions caused by war. What has been proven in court must be considerd as bogus charges, while the soviets controlled all evidence, were actively trying to get false convictions with made-up charges, sometimes for crimes committed by them, (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre ) and that all sides were committing actual crimes of war. The soviets raped and murdered the civilian population and tortured and killed POWs, which both are war-crimes, the brits targeted civilians without any military value with their terror-bombings, and did everything in their power to starve them to death, and the nazis targeted civilian populations as well, when they were carrying out their anti-partisan-actions, because partisans, which would be called terrorists by modern standards, didn't obey any conventions of war, and were a much bigger issue than the history books want you to know, to make the nazis seem more unreasonable.

But of course those who won the war wouldn't accuse themselves of war-crimes, so there are no convictions. Thinking people could still conclude, that the allies were the perpetrators of something that amounts to one of the biggest crimes against humanity in the history of mankind. This would be really bad, because soldiers and normal people could be very pissed, if the final spin on the story is, that they were forced to be at least accomplices in such a crime, which was committed by their own governments. This would undermine trust in the leadership. So the allies really needed some story, that sticked out, to make their own crimes appear tame and necessary in comparison. And that's the holocaust.

Before I forget it. There's a good reason, why jews were put in camps. Espionage. Look what happened in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_spies

Jewish spies stole US plans and research for the atom bomb, and delivered it to the soviets, which has certainly resulted in eastern europe and large parts of asia remaining enslaved under communism for many decades, and could have caused a war that kills off large parts of mankind worldwide. Let me remind you, that this happened just a few years after german cities were firebombed, and that nukes were invented to make this kind of warfare more efficient. They were put in camps to prevent such a thing from happening in germany.