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I wouldn't call myself a holocaust denier but I've always thought the number 6 million was bogus. There seems to be a fair amount of holocaust deniers on this site, I just want to see where you guys are coming from. I'm to uneducated on the subject to pick a side yet. Can someone suggest some good reading material, news stories, documentaries on the subject? Thanks

I wouldn't call myself a holocaust denier but I've always thought the number 6 million was bogus. There seems to be a fair amount of holocaust deniers on this site, I just want to see where you guys are coming from. I'm to uneducated on the subject to pick a side yet. Can someone suggest some good reading material, news stories, documentaries on the subject? Thanks

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[–] [deleted] 9 pts

Anything that comes out of jews mouths is a lie. If a jew tells you its raining outside then you should go check yourself because I damn well guarantee its sunny out.

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The extremely short/skimmed version (there is a list floating around somewhere with the sources):

1) At the immediate end of the war the Red Cross catalogued approximately 300K deaths in the prison camps, mostly of cholera, typhoid, and starvation due to the collapsed supply lines. All very common causes of death at the time for prisoners.

2) The 6 million Jews dying in Europe is actually repeated in newspaper clippings as early as ~1900, 35+ years before the war even started.

3) The Soviet Union had imperial ambitions in Europe before the war started and were planning to invade anyway, Germany going on the offensive first just gave them the Casus Belli (an excuse to go to war) the CCCP/USSR was looking for. To drive home the point to it's own public that the Soviet Union should continue to occupy conquered territories, they deliberately fabricated the most heinous types of crimes they could think of to pin on Germany. This why you see things like the chimney at Auschwitz not actually being connected to the building, where people were supposedly gassed and burned, while the so-called gas chamber room has the original wooden door on it. The story is that the chimney is a reconstruction of the original chimney, but it's likely just the original Soviet construction for the propaganda campaign. To further this point, all the death/exterminations camps that were 'found' after the war, conveniently all fall in Soviet-occupied territory. None of the camps liberated by the Allied side had any signs of being used as death/extermination camps.

4) 'Holocaust survivors' themselves give pretty ridiculous stories in all the 'official documentation' like surviving/escaping 6+ concurrent death camps and have repeatedly stated that there's no evidence of bodies because German soldiers spent their free time grinding bone into dust and scattering it to the wind-- on the front lines mind you-- where they were fighting actual battles, which you think would have been a more important activity. None of the mockumentary information can be trusted because the so-called German officers they often show are Jews pretending to be German to verbally corroborate the lies being told. The nose knows.

5) There is official documentation and records of many of the camps having maternity wards, orchestras, swimming pools, and other luxury activity spaces available for use by the prisoners. Obviously these were necessary items for death camps.

6) There have never been exhumations of bodies at some of the most 'notorious' death camps because Jews throw a fit saying that it is 'sacred ground'. They won't even allow the use of ground penetrating radar. If these camps were so heinous, why are people actively prevented from documenting every last detail to show the entire world what happened?

7) There is ample evidence that Jews subverted Germany in WW1, which caused it to lose the war, despite having never lost a battle or had an enemy cross it's border. They then started the German Revolution, which created the Weimar Republic, which was a disgusting degenerate place ruled entirely by Jews. Prostitution of families (mothers and their sons/daughters together), beastiality, pedophilia, public displays of pornography and sex, gay/trans sex clubs galore in places like Berlin. The Germans were extremely angry about this development (I wonder why) and overthrew the Weimar, and Jewish leaders around the world declared war on Germany (the German people specifically) in 1933 when the Wiemar collapsed. (There's a reason people are saying we're in the Wiemar again now) The Jews had ample reasons to slander Germany whenever possible after the collapse of the Weimar because they got thrown out on their asses (and rightfully so).

8) Hitler had the Haavara agreement in place (starting in 1933), where Jews could pay 'exit taxes' to Germany and relocate to British-Palestine with their property. This is literally the same type of policy (in effect) the American government uses when Americans give up US citizenship and become citizens of another country.

The only real Holocaust that happened, is actually the Hollycosttm, which is the amount of money Jews had to spend to perpetuate the lie.

For obvious reasons, this is a lie that they cannot ever back out of, because it's been used by Jews to manipulate their way into power all across the globe and makes shitsrael an illegitimate state built entirely on lies. (Which it is)

If you want the ultimate red-pill about the Hollycost, then you don't need to look at the Holocaust or WW2 at all. Starting asking questions about why the Holodomor is never discussed/mentioned/remembered anywhere despite it actually killing tens of millions of people. Why aren't there museums about it in every country like there is for the Holocaust? Why are there no laws about Holodomor denial? Hint: It's because the Holodomor genocide was purposely done by Jews. Go look up writings by Leon Trotsky and see how he actually felt about the native European populations.

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Do you have that image from reddit of the 7 stages of holocaust acceptance?

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imo, the easiest way to learn is to look up videos or works from the likes of frederick toben and david irving. irving is better i think cuz he at one time was Europe's most sought after historian and very famous until he looked into ww2 lol. now he's considered a nazi with zero credibility. and plus his court battle was pretty epic they even made a movie about it, of course it was the evil nazi sympathizer vs thos poor jews....

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Don't take anyone's word for it: do the math.

Determine how long does it take to cremate a human body, now multiply by bodies cremated. Therein is your answer.

Come on that's just the worst argument

That could be explained with "low standard mass burnings" or anything of that sort

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No actually, it can't. You need to go learn the physics of burning a human body and the energy it takes to raise the temperature of water, to include how an enclosed crematorium evenly and more efficiently distributes that energy versus the uneven heating of an open pit.

More importantly, the CLAIM is that they were burned in crematoriums -- discussion of anything else is meaningless.

There was this one Soviet blog that claimed Auschwitz had two areas, one for privileged people (dissidents I think) that had the whole swimming pools and such, one for the homosexuals/jews and such that was a death area

Debating that blog seems like the smartest thing to do, I should link it

The mass burning thing has been attacked by MSM a lot, it seemed deboonked on the level of flat earth

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Are you new here?

I have been lurking on voat since last year due to OneAngryGamer shoah drama

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There's plenty of material available if you use the poal search function for 'holocaust'. This, for example - I only took a brief look at the front page because I am familiar with this stuff but it looks promising:

https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

Then there's https://poal.co/s/holocaust/

You're welcome. It's good to be curious

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I just watched about 20hrs of David Irving videos. He is a historian that interviewed people close to Hitler and read all of the diaries of Hitler and his staff and found no mention of mass extermination. He also went through all the archives in most countries and found no documenting regards gas chambers etc. He found that the camps where the mass extermination was supposed to happen was liberated by the Soviets and wasn't allowed to be inspected for 3 years by the USA. There was evidence that many things were added to these camps by the Soviets to sell the story of mass gassing.

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The World Almanac on the world's (and German) Jewish population 1935-1945.

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On Voat someone shared links to NY Times articles from 40 years before WW2 saying "6 million jews killed.". there were nearly a dozen "6 million" atricles refering to jews for 60 years leading up to WW2.... very interesting evidence

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Someone has already mentioned the holocaust deprogramming course, which is pretty good to give you an overview about the glitches in the official story. You also should put all confessions and trials and verdicts aside, because it's clear, that russians as well as western-allies used torture to get confessions, and there were lots convictions that were proven to be false and based on state-actors actively trying to get false convictions by using lies, torture, and so any means necessary.

Here's a good overview about what has been considered as proven beyond the shadow of a doubt at the nuremberg trials: https://www.bitchute.com/video/IZBicnnkw9ZP/

Additionally I'd like to add, that a high death-rate in prison camps has to be expected even without any genocidal intentions. This is a base-rate of deaths that can be expected under the given circumstances, and if the actual rate isn't higher than this base-rate, all talk about a genocide is bullshit. Let's take the base-rate of german POWs taken at stalingrad, which were imprisoned for several years, just like jews were:

"After the Battle of Moscow and the retreat of the German forces the number of prisoners in the Soviet prisoner of war camps rose to 120,000 by early 1942.[4] The German 6th Army surrendered in the Battle of Stalingrad, 91,000 of the survivors became prisoners of war raising the number to 170,000[4] in early 1943. Weakened by disease, starvation and lack of medical care during the encirclement, many died of wounds, disease (particularly typhus spread by body lice), malnutrition and maltreatment in the months following capture at Stalingrad: only approximately 6,000 of them lived to be repatriated after the war."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union

If my math doesn't fail me, 1 in 30 survived a soviet prison camp for several years, and german POWs didn't include women and old people, which have a higher natural rate of death than fighting-age men. And since nobody says that soviets were mass-murdering germans, you can't argue, that it's not normal and without ill intent, if 96% of prisoners die. But okay, we're no sophists here, and know that soviets have committed a genocide against germans. So you have to somewhat lower the rate of expected deaths in any prison camp. But you'd still come to a large percentage of people dying of natural causes due to the breakdown of the infrastructure, which led to lack of food, catastrophic hygiene, and the resulting outbreak of disease, which would look like mass-murder during peacetimes, but must be considered as without ill intent during the war they fought back then. It can only be genocide or mass-murder, if the number is higher than that. Which it isn't.

IMHO in the end any reasonable person would conclude, that huge numbers have simply died because of the conditions caused by war. What has been proven in court must be considerd as bogus charges, while the soviets controlled all evidence, were actively trying to get false convictions with made-up charges, sometimes for crimes committed by them, (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre ) and that all sides were committing actual crimes of war. The soviets raped and murdered the civilian population and tortured and killed POWs, which both are war-crimes, the brits targeted civilians without any military value with their terror-bombings, and did everything in their power to starve them to death, and the nazis targeted civilian populations as well, when they were carrying out their anti-partisan-actions, because partisans, which would be called terrorists by modern standards, didn't obey any conventions of war, and were a much bigger issue than the history books want you to know, to make the nazis seem more unreasonable.

But of course those who won the war wouldn't accuse themselves of war-crimes, so there are no convictions. Thinking people could still conclude, that the allies were the perpetrators of something that amounts to one of the biggest crimes against humanity in the history of mankind. This would be really bad, because soldiers and normal people could be very pissed, if the final spin on the story is, that they were forced to be at least accomplices in such a crime, which was committed by their own governments. This would undermine trust in the leadership. So the allies really needed some story, that sticked out, to make their own crimes appear tame and necessary in comparison. And that's the holocaust.

Before I forget it. There's a good reason, why jews were put in camps. Espionage. Look what happened in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_spies

Jewish spies stole US plans and research for the atom bomb, and delivered it to the soviets, which has certainly resulted in eastern europe and large parts of asia remaining enslaved under communism for many decades, and could have caused a war that kills off large parts of mankind worldwide. Let me remind you, that this happened just a few years after german cities were firebombed, and that nukes were invented to make this kind of warfare more efficient. They were put in camps to prevent such a thing from happening in germany.

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