Why can't anybody but mods post in /Whatever?

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People started getting unreasonably butthurt when a post was moved and AOU got sick of trying to explain all of this. This problem is caused by 1 part admin stubbornness and 3 parts user stupidity.

If this is undesired user activity, this is 100% dev stupidity. Trying to repurpose an established design or feature is inevitably going to cause friction when users use a feature intuitively. The easiest solution would have been to set "/whatever" as your catchall and "/anything" as your "no sub for this yet".

If the confusion and mess IS desired user activity because of admins trolling or whining for enjoyment, they are doing a good job. It's juvenile and unproductive to call users stupid for using a feature intuitively and in an established way, unless friction is a desired effect. It's shortsighted not to look at design issues first and then to user behaviour after. You can train a community to toe the line to fit your design, but you will always come back to the intuitive design vs repurposed design clash with newcomers. It's like having a storefront and constantly correcting customers that you decided the entrance is at the back and the exit is at the front: "Stupid customers trying to enter through the front."

The question comes back to where do you want to spend your energy? Continually calling newcomers stupid for thinking a downvote button and a sub name should be used intuitively? Or cultivating a good community culture? Moving submissions endlessly is just a reminder that if the admins suddenly want to become malicious, they could change your listed submission behaviour to 100% in "gay porn" or whatever they so choose. That potential isn't inconsistent with the "whining" tags that are thrown on some submissions. Trolling is trolling, good job if that was the intent. But if the intention is to maximise market share of quality users, this isn't the way to do it.

never actually read the sidebar

There are design issues with mobile I've noticed (e.g. overlapping or missing ui elements, vote buttons not showing up, & inability to post comments "method not allowed") that likely interfere with this in some cases. "Can't you read the sign!?" -- "No, actually."

> People started getting unreasonably butthurt when a post was moved and AOU got sick of trying to explain all of this. This problem is caused by 1 part admin stubbornness and 3 parts user stupidity. If this is undesired user activity, this is 100% dev stupidity. Trying to repurpose an established design or feature is inevitably going to cause friction when users use a feature intuitively. The easiest solution would have been to set "/whatever" as your catchall and "/anything" as your "no sub for this yet". If the confusion and mess **IS** desired user activity because of admins trolling or whining for enjoyment, they are doing a good job. It's juvenile and unproductive to call users stupid for using a feature intuitively and in an established way, **unless** friction is a desired effect. It's shortsighted not to look at design issues first and then to user behaviour after. You can train a community to toe the line to fit your design, but you will always come back to the intuitive design vs repurposed design clash with newcomers. It's like having a storefront and constantly correcting customers that you decided the entrance is at the back and the exit is at the front: "Stupid customers trying to enter through the front." The question comes back to where do you want to spend your energy? Continually calling newcomers stupid for thinking a downvote button and a sub name should be used intuitively? Or cultivating a good community culture? Moving submissions endlessly is just a reminder that if the admins suddenly want to become malicious, they could change your listed submission behaviour to 100% in "gay porn" or whatever they so choose. That potential isn't inconsistent with the "whining" tags that are thrown on some submissions. Trolling is trolling, good job if that was the intent. But if the intention is to maximise market share of quality users, this isn't the way to do it. > never actually read the sidebar There are design issues with mobile I've noticed (e.g. overlapping or missing ui elements, vote buttons not showing up, & inability to post comments "method not allowed") that likely interfere with this in some cases. "Can't you read the sign!?" -- "No, actually."

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