Telepathy. And dream memeing. Astral plane is where its at.
Telepathy. And dream memeing. Astral plane is where its at.
Whatever the solution, it must either
1) Run on decentralized infrastructure (e.g. HAM radio)
OR
2) Run on current infrastructure (owned by a couple ISP's) in a manner which makes it difficult/intractable to determine what an IP is actually receiving/transmitting (e.g. Freenet, Tor, i2p, etc.)
Whatever the solution, it must either
1) Run on decentralized infrastructure (e.g. HAM radio)
OR
2) Run on current infrastructure (owned by a couple ISP's) in a manner which makes it difficult/intractable to determine what an IP is actually receiving/transmitting (e.g. Freenet, Tor, i2p, etc.)
IP over carrier pigeon.
IP over carrier pigeon.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549
Did MeshNet ever get anywhere?
Did MeshNet ever get anywhere?
Nope.
Nope.
It will probably run on current ifrastructure, like how the interent is run on the electrical grid.
It will probably run on current ifrastructure, like how the interent is run on the electrical grid.
while there are household ethernet over powerline adapters, the internet doesn't run on powerlines or the electrical grid. It is run through cable and fiber.
while there are household ethernet over powerline adapters, the internet doesn't run on powerlines or the electrical grid. It is run through cable and fiber.
True I was too basic in my comment. To clarify, our current power grid is managed by the state in conjunction with corporations. The internet is a series of systems within the electrical grid via cables as well as antenas and satellites managed by both the state and corporations. Much like the telephone system, the internet has its own vast infrastucture allowing us to communicate worldwide but without electricity, it disappears. The same electricity managed by the state and corporations which have yet to block electricity from the homes / bussinesses of people with wrong opinions. This is why I can see a situation where a new communication method is birthed from the infrastrucre already in place.
True I was too basic in my comment. To clarify, our current power grid is managed by the state in conjunction with corporations. The internet is a series of systems within the electrical grid via cables as well as antenas and satellites managed by both the state and corporations. Much like the telephone system, the internet has its own vast infrastucture allowing us to communicate worldwide but without electricity, it disappears. The same electricity managed by the state and corporations which have yet to block electricity from the homes / bussinesses of people with wrong opinions. This is why I can see a situation where a new communication method is birthed from the infrastrucre already in place.
It's a series of tubes.
It's a series of tubes.
VPNs will probably do it.
VPNs will probably do it.
hell no they will not. VPN's are licensed businesses which are often either required to keep track of VPN logs, or can be legally compelled to turn over identifiable information about a VPN users traffic.
VPN's are one of the least secure ways of concealing your internet history, because you are trusting that the VPN provider is an angel who would rather go to jail than give up traffic logs for some randos they've never met.
hell no they will not. VPN's are licensed businesses which are often either required to keep track of VPN logs, or can be legally compelled to turn over identifiable information about a VPN users traffic.
VPN's are one of the least secure ways of concealing your internet history, because you are trusting that the VPN provider is an angel who would rather go to jail than give up traffic logs for some randos they've never met.
You do know you can setup your own VPN right? It's not that hard. Purchase VPS in some foreign country, setup VPN, connect to VPN, done.
Helps if you use Linux too.
You do know you can setup your own VPN right? It's not that hard. Purchase VPS in some foreign country, setup VPN, connect to VPN, done.
Helps if you use Linux too.
That's because you're a noob. Professionnals use VPN based in country that don't require them to track logs and turn over their shit. I think Avast's VPN does.
That's because you're a noob. Professionnals use VPN based in country that don't require them to track logs and turn over their shit. I think Avast's VPN does.
Then some sort of other encryption. The fundamental of not letting the ISP see what you are transacting works. ISPs route VPN traffic for businesses all day long without any idea of the contents.
Then some sort of other encryption. The fundamental of not letting the ISP see what you are transacting works. ISPs route VPN traffic for businesses all day long without any idea of the contents.
China blocks all VPN traffic
China blocks all VPN traffic
Openconnect doesnt get caught by deep packet inspection. Tested with ndpi and confirmed it can get around isp vpn throttling.
Get a vps and setup openconnect. As long as they dont ban vps ips you should be ok.
Openconnect doesnt get caught by deep packet inspection. Tested with ndpi and confirmed it can get around isp vpn throttling.
Get a vps and setup openconnect. As long as they dont ban vps ips you should be ok.
Ham radio
Ham radio
Just going to be a bunch of people yelling nigger over top of each other?
Pretty sure they would triangulate where your transmitting from.
Or are you talking about sending data over ham frequencies?
Just going to be a bunch of people yelling nigger over top of each other?
Pretty sure they would triangulate where your transmitting from.
Or are you talking about sending data over ham frequencies?
packet radio. you can send data over the air
>Just going to be a bunch of people yelling nigger over top of each other?
LOL. Kinda like poal?
packet radio. you can send data over the air
>>Just going to be a bunch of people yelling nigger over top of each other?
LOL. Kinda like poal?
Genuine LoL at that. Good to see on a Monday morning.
Genuine LoL at that. Good to see on a Monday morning.
Data transmissions are definitely doable, and with the DMR radios you can send a quite a bit with relative ease.
Data transmissions are definitely doable, and with the DMR radios you can send a quite a bit with relative ease.
Is packet radio over ham?
Is packet radio over ham?
Jews copy, over
Jews copy, over
Groan. I am so tired of hearing this on these free speech sites but that was fucking funny.
Groan. I am so tired of hearing this on these free speech sites but that was fucking funny.
Ham radio is not a solution to losing ISPs.
FCC rules make it easy to shut down and speeds are 1200/2400 baud.
Ham radio is not a solution to losing ISPs.
FCC rules make it easy to shut down and speeds are 1200/2400 baud.
When you have nothing. You'll use it and like it.
>FCC rules make it easy to shut down and speeds are 1200/2400 baud.
HF radio has the ability to travel around the world. Especially now with the sun waking back up.
When you have nothing. You'll use it and like it.
>>FCC rules make it easy to shut down and speeds are 1200/2400 baud.
HF radio has the ability to travel around the world. Especially now with the sun waking back up.
bill gates is working on his plan to darken the Sun...
bill gates is working on his plan to darken the Sun...
What I am saying is we need something secure and faster, ham radio is not a good solution.
What I am saying is we need something secure and faster, ham radio is not a good solution.
Also, you're not reaching any undecided voters that way.
Also, you're not reaching any undecided voters that way.
Go with that.
They'll denounce the internet as dangerous because racists and heterosexuals are on it. Only the bureaucrats that need it for work and the jews, Everyone else has to pay for an expensive license.
You can't keep communicating because you don't worship castration, like good people do..
Go with that.
They'll denounce the internet as dangerous because racists and heterosexuals are on it. Only the bureaucrats that need it for work and the jews, Everyone else has to pay for an expensive license.
You can't keep communicating because you don't worship castration, like good people do..
I bought two Baofengs for this.
I bought two Baofengs for this.
I work for a small-time ISP. We definitely won't be doing this. We don't have the time nor the inclination.
Now... What do we do if our transports and peers start saying they'll stop being our transports and peers if we don't censor?
Well then... I don't fucking know. Shit's going to get interesting/
I work for a small-time ISP. We definitely won't be doing this. We don't have the time nor the inclination.
Now... What do we do if our transports and peers start saying they'll stop being our transports and peers if we don't censor?
Well then... I don't fucking know. Shit's going to get interesting/
Until the government tells you they're going to shut you down if you don't.
Until the government tells you they're going to shut you down if you don't.
Is it even legal to? I thought there was some common carrier? or something law that makes it illegal for ISP's to even throttle websites. Maybe I'm thinking back to the good ole' days of 1999.
Is it even legal to? I thought there was some common carrier? or something law that makes it illegal for ISP's to even throttle websites. Maybe I'm thinking back to the good ole' days of 1999.
Im genuinely curious. Would it be possibble to operate an ISP outside of a corrupt governments jurisdiction? Where do the "transports and peers" come from?
Im genuinely curious. Would it be possibble to operate an ISP outside of a corrupt governments jurisdiction? Where do the "transports and peers" come from?
Read up on BGP. I'm sure the government has a lot more control over infrastructure in other countries, but in the US, it's all privately owned. Perhaps some lease pole space from local or state governments. Our network never leaves my state, at least for now, so I'm unsure of the politics involved in crossing state lines. We pay for transport to a datacenter where we peer with other providers to connect out to the rest of the world. There are Tier 1 transports, the companies that own fiber traversing the globe. You peer with them. You can also peer at "meet-me" points, with other companies that have services in the datacenter. Big datacenters have hardware of all the big companies in them. It saves on transport costs to do this. A private company owns the building that is the datacenter. It's several floors. Very secure. Probably the most secure building in my state, but most don't know about it. This company owns several such buildings across the US. Possibly the globe. Haven't read too much up on them. Besides the state and federal government having servers and routers in there, I don't think they have much control over the building. I'm sure there's some secret room where they're sniffing every packet. Who knows.
We rarely interact with the government. Just the occasional warrant for IP information.
Read up on BGP. I'm sure the government has a lot more control over infrastructure in other countries, but in the US, it's all privately owned. Perhaps some lease pole space from local or state governments. Our network never leaves my state, at least for now, so I'm unsure of the politics involved in crossing state lines. We pay for transport to a datacenter where we peer with other providers to connect out to the rest of the world. There are Tier 1 transports, the companies that own fiber traversing the globe. You peer with them. You can also peer at "meet-me" points, with other companies that have services in the datacenter. Big datacenters have hardware of all the big companies in them. It saves on transport costs to do this. A private company owns the building that is the datacenter. It's several floors. Very secure. Probably the most secure building in my state, but most don't know about it. This company owns several such buildings across the US. Possibly the globe. Haven't read too much up on them. Besides the state and federal government having servers and routers in there, I don't think they have much control over the building. I'm sure there's some secret room where they're sniffing every packet. Who knows.
We rarely interact with the government. Just the occasional warrant for IP information.
Interesting. Ill look into BGP. Thanks for sharing
Interesting. Ill look into BGP. Thanks for sharing
wireless meshnet
wireless meshnet
Lots of ways to twist arms.
Lots of ways to twist arms.
People like me who support network neutrality will say "We told you so."
People like me who support network neutrality will say "We told you so."
Just make your own internet, bigot!
Just make your own internet, bigot!
The war becomes hot.
The war becomes hot.
I believe that whatever comes next will be the future, or next wave of how people communicate. No matter how much those in control try, they will never stop human ideas. The internet as we now know it, was birthed because of war. The next "internet" will be the same because we are now currently in technological warfare. I just hope that Im smart enough to take advantage of it before it becomes the next big thing.
I believe that whatever comes next will be the future, or next wave of how people communicate. No matter how much those in control try, they will never stop human ideas. The internet as we now know it, was birthed because of war. The next "internet" will be the same because we are now currently in technological warfare. I just hope that Im smart enough to take advantage of it before it becomes the next big thing.
Even if one owned a Class C network and could run BGP and advertise routes, you still have to buy bandwidth and when they own all the backbones there isn't much one can do. TOR, i2p, other anonymous networks I guess. More and more we get pushed underground. TOR is easy but they can DDOS it. i2p is more difficult to use but is actually a lot better and safer.
Even if one owned a Class C network and could run BGP and advertise routes, you still have to buy bandwidth and when they own all the backbones there isn't much one can do. TOR, i2p, other anonymous networks I guess. More and more we get pushed underground. TOR is easy but they can DDOS it. i2p is more difficult to use but is actually a lot better and safer.
Maybe we’ll see some shit like this happen sooner rather than later
(https://www.indiatimes.com/technology/news/tim-berners-lee-wants-to-turn-the-internet-on-its-head-and-decentralize-it-once-more-353998.html)
Maybe we’ll see some shit like this happen sooner rather than later
This is the right kind of idea.
This is the right kind of idea.
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