Depends on how well armed they are.
Depends on how well armed they are.
Lincoln said no, however, King George also said no.
Lincoln said no, however, King George also said no.
It would probably play out like Brexit, dragging on for years and years in the hope that everyone just plum forgets they ever wanted it.
It would probably play out like Brexit, dragging on for years and years in the hope that everyone just plum forgets they ever wanted it.
Didn't that just go through?
Didn't that just go through?
Yeah. They just fought it tooth and nail and then dragged their feet when they had no choice but to go forward with it.
Yeah. They just fought it tooth and nail and then dragged their feet when they had no choice but to go forward with it.
thats at least doable. As a Brit we are now out.
>thats at least doable. As a Brit we are now out.
Technically, yes. James Madison, “father of the Constitution,” said as much, and Jefferson agreed. In practice, however, this proves more difficult, because USA Inc., as you put it, will likely fail to recognize the divorce, much like a sadistic wife, and will pursue a three pronged attack: demonization - claiming the abused state is actually the abuser, seduction - offering incentives to the people of the state to resist the decision to withdraw, and aggression - mounting a series of offensives meant to initially demoralize but ultimately defeat and even destroy the state if they refuse to remain.
Technically, yes. James Madison, “father of the Constitution,” said as much, and Jefferson agreed. In practice, however, this proves more difficult, because USA Inc., as you put it, will likely fail to recognize the divorce, much like a sadistic wife, and will pursue a three pronged attack: demonization - claiming the abused state is actually the abuser, seduction - offering incentives to the people of the state to resist the decision to withdraw, and aggression - mounting a series of offensives meant to initially demoralize but ultimately defeat and even destroy the state if they refuse to remain.
I maybe be wrong but get the impression Texas would do it anyway.
I maybe be wrong but get the impression Texas would do it anyway.
From your lips to God’s ears. Nothing would horrify and demoralize the central planners like a major state taking its ball and going home.
From your lips to God’s ears. Nothing would horrify and demoralize the central planners like a major state taking its ball and going home.
I'm a Brit and we sort of did it with BREXIT. It took years and many threats were made but from Jan 1st 2021 we were out. In the US it seems like a logical path for those who want to not live in a banana republic.
I'm a Brit and we sort of did it with BREXIT. It took years and many threats were made but from Jan 1st 2021 we were out. In the US it seems like a logical path for those who want to not live in a banana republic.
If a state would want to leave, that is only because the country is being tyrannical, and a tyrannical government wont let you leave as you wish.
If a state would want to leave, that is only because the country is being tyrannical, and a tyrannical government wont let you leave as you wish.
Good point
Good point
Their is a "legal" way out but like hell (((they))) would just let you leave.
There would be a fight.
Their is a "legal" way out but like hell (((they))) would just let you leave.
There would be a fight.
Same as Brexit. So they are willing and able to dig in then surely this may be the only thing left if there is no last minute reprieve.
Same as Brexit. So they are willing and able to dig in then surely this may be the only thing left if there is no last minute reprieve.
Written in the Constitution I believe. In 1863, Lincoln defined certain requirements in order for states to regain their constitutional protections, as defined in Article IV (Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction, December 8, 1863). Specifically, for any state, which was part of the Confederacy, to have its government recognized, and in order for it to be protected from foreign invasion or domestic violence, at least ten percent of its eligible voters had to swear an oath. So if the contract is broken then Yes.
Written in the Constitution I believe. In 1863, Lincoln defined certain requirements in order for states to regain their constitutional protections, as defined in Article IV (Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction, December 8, 1863). Specifically, for any state, which was part of the Confederacy, to have its government recognized, and in order for it to be protected from foreign invasion or domestic violence, at least ten percent of its eligible voters had to swear an oath.
So if the contract is broken then Yes.
Texas did challenge the election fraud and if 70% of actual US voters voted Trump then 10% seems achievable.
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Texas did challenge the election fraud and if 70% of actual US voters voted Trump then 10% seems achievable.
There is no real legal or political path to independence. That was pretty much settled in 1865. It's also not that popular, states and cities are heavily dependent on federal gibs. I think it could only happen if the federal government became so weak they could do nothing about it, which could happen when the globohomo megacorps chip away at federal sovereignty, the dollar becomes worthless, and the gibs dry up.
Maybe counties seceding to other states, like Greater Idaho or most of Virginia seceding to West Virginia is more viable.
There is no real legal or political path to independence. That was pretty much settled in 1865. It's also not that popular, states and cities are heavily dependent on federal gibs. I think it could only happen if the federal government became so weak they could do nothing about it, which could happen when the globohomo megacorps chip away at federal sovereignty, the dollar becomes worthless, and the gibs dry up.
Maybe counties seceding to other states, like Greater Idaho or most of Virginia seceding to West Virginia is more viable.
No. Not really. It's an idle threat.
No. Not really.
It's an idle threat.
Eleven states tried that in 1860. You know how it worked out.
Eleven states tried that in 1860. You know how it worked out.
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