Previously I asked [what evidence there was to suggest the existence of esoteric forces that influence our world](https://poal.co/s/AskPoal/133266). Some of the answers pointed to trannies/pedos and the power of globohomo as evidence, which I definitely feel is convincingly suggestive of a great force of evil. [I am continuing to use the term suggest instead of prove because I feel it is very unlikely that the existence of supernatural influences will ever be proven.](#spoiler) I would heap onto this category of suggestive evidence the sort of mass stupidity/foolishness that is so omnipresent that you can barely find anyone in the world who isn't victimized by whatever is causing it. More evil. I often worry that there's more evidence to suggest a great supernatural evil than there is to suggest a great supernatural good. Call it God, or the Holy Ghost, or whatever. Maybe there is a pagan equivalent but from what I've seen in those traditions things aren't so dualistic. Do you think that exists? What would you point to as evidence that suggests it does? Can you believe in Satan (or whatever you want to call it) without God? Though initially it's counterintuitive I would like to hear the argument for why you couldn't... And now I will ping some people who were involved in the previous discussion: @TheodoreKent @NotHereFor @GoyGenius @Timmy @WaWhite13. [My limit is 5 pings so sorry if I didn't get you.](#spoiler) edit: And I should've included this originally, but in the previous discussion we settled on a definition of evil (in people), as basically that which contradicts or disrupts a functioning natural order of things.