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Previously I asked . Some of the answers pointed to trannies/pedos and the power of globohomo as evidence, which I definitely feel is convincingly suggestive of a great force of evil.

I would heap onto this category of suggestive evidence the sort of mass stupidity/foolishness that is so omnipresent that you can barely find anyone in the world who isn't victimized by whatever is causing it. More evil.

I often worry that there's more evidence to suggest a great supernatural evil than there is to suggest a great supernatural good.

Call it God, or the Holy Ghost, or whatever. Maybe there is a pagan equivalent but from what I've seen in those traditions things aren't so dualistic. Do you think that exists? What would you point to as evidence that suggests it does?

Can you believe in Satan (or whatever you want to call it) without God? Though initially it's counterintuitive I would like to hear the argument for why you couldn't...

And now I will ping some people who were involved in the previous discussion: .

edit: And I should've included this originally, but in the previous discussion we settled on a definition of evil (in people), as basically that which contradicts or disrupts a functioning natural order of things.

Previously I asked [what evidence there was to suggest the existence of esoteric forces that influence our world](https://poal.co/s/AskPoal/133266). Some of the answers pointed to trannies/pedos and the power of globohomo as evidence, which I definitely feel is convincingly suggestive of a great force of evil. [I am continuing to use the term suggest instead of prove because I feel it is very unlikely that the existence of supernatural influences will ever be proven.](#spoiler) I would heap onto this category of suggestive evidence the sort of mass stupidity/foolishness that is so omnipresent that you can barely find anyone in the world who isn't victimized by whatever is causing it. More evil. I often worry that there's more evidence to suggest a great supernatural evil than there is to suggest a great supernatural good. Call it God, or the Holy Ghost, or whatever. Maybe there is a pagan equivalent but from what I've seen in those traditions things aren't so dualistic. Do you think that exists? What would you point to as evidence that suggests it does? Can you believe in Satan (or whatever you want to call it) without God? Though initially it's counterintuitive I would like to hear the argument for why you couldn't... And now I will ping some people who were involved in the previous discussion: @TheodoreKent @NotHereFor @GoyGenius @Timmy @WaWhite13. [My limit is 5 pings so sorry if I didn't get you.](#spoiler) edit: And I should've included this originally, but in the previous discussion we settled on a definition of evil (in people), as basically that which contradicts or disrupts a functioning natural order of things.

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[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

I would like to present from Phillip K. Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep." The androids who cut the 4 legs off of the spider have no sense of Logos or morality, and must then experiment to emulate it. All the while, having no sense of the ripple of damage their perversion sends through the natural world.

If someone wanted to do "good" for their kind, and didn't understand the harm their actions yield on another group, then this person might seemingly be OK propagating the perversions our society has been experiencing. It's hard for us to believe that we are capable of it, but also consider the . This study shows a "proximity effect" of how easy it is to justify our actions when we logically see the harm. When the subjects were pushed further away from the "victims" they were more inclined to go all the way with the experiment.

The filter bubbles we live in can cause us to justify strange things outside of our purview. We don't see the wake of our boat after we've passed and in the name of survival, or morality may do great harm to a large set of humanity.

In the bible, Jesus spoke of the Synagogue of Satan. In the same passages he describes how they don't worship him (Logos, the truth) but instead worship themselves. It seemed to me that Jesus was talking about a psychopath, or one that lacked the understanding of the morality of their actions on the rest of the world.

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You know the conversation's getting good when the references to literary works and pre-ethics boards psychological experiments come out!

I am familiar with the Milgram experiment, but will have to add Electronic Sheep to my reading list.

Isn't the most interesting thing about all this evil in the world that it almost invariably claims to be in the name of what is good? Likewise, I think a lot of people (perhaps a majority) would say we are on the side of evil who claim evil is parents enrolling their children in drag shows. Maybe we should take ' suggestion and make everyone get a brain scan. Whoevers' frontal lobes are more damaged has to sudoku.

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I don't know if brain scans will cut it. I think this kind of behavior will always find a way of popping up. A psychopath is born, a sociopath is made. If one is taught from the Talmud, they will develop disassociative issues like sociopathy.

In short, the only way through the ages to not be subverted by this stuff is to raise our children to recognize the behaviors as immoral and train children to do the hard things. The problem is, cognitive work on these kinds of things are difficult as we're also all addicted to affirmations.

I also do agree with that much of the bible is fake subversion, but I have a hunch (correlatively anyway) that there are pieces of the New Testiment that are actually talking about active vigilance against our own psyche to not groom dopamine/affirmation addiction and follow truth. Hence we worship false idols, like money and other things which are a perversion of natural order that one who doesn't understand virtue would have to emulate it. In this way, it seems like psychopathy and evil manifest to the same end.

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I have a hunch (correlatively anyway) that there are pieces of the New Testiment that are actually talking about active vigilance against our own psyche to not groom dopamine/affirmation addiction and follow truth. Hence we worship false idols, like money and other things which are a perversion of natural order that one who doesn't understand virtue would have to emulate it. In this way, it seems like psychopathy and evil manifest to the same end.

great take