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[–] [deleted] • 6 pts

I don't trust shit in the news anymore. How do WE KNOW that this isn't some fake false flag to have the US piss off China for getting into their business. How do we know the leaders of the protest are not high paid by the CIA to do this shit or some other global bullshit agency. I don't trust shit nowadays. Hell they can have 10's of thousands of immigrants rush to the US at a moments notice I don't trust shit even in large groups anymore. It's like everything political nowadays is a LARPing movie and people are allowed to die without a care to make sure the world pays attention to the cause of the day or week. I say we just ignore most of the world for the next 4 years and mind our own business for once in this century. I don't want us to be the world police force or to have to pay to police other countries. Fuck them all, we need to think of our own country and kill all the lowlife deep state traitors/actors.

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I've followed these protests and the ones in 2014 closely. It is not remotely a US operation.

If you want to follow better news sources about it, South China Morning Post and HK Free Press are both pretty good. (Some of their opinion pieces are not so good, but the reporting is generally excellent. And they both know the difference, still, unlike US media.)

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

If the msm is covering it. It is a US/UK run operation. If the msm don't cover it, like the French Yellow Vest protests. You know that its not organised by the Propagandists.

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So the fact that the MSM didn't cover it for three months means it was legit then and isn't now? How terribly simplistic.

I lived in China for several years. I'll take my understanding of the culture over yours, thanks.

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Absofuckinglutely.

For context, I lived in Shanghai for several years, so I know a few things about Chinese culture.

The protests are follow-ons to the 2014 Umbrella Movement, which were possibly the politest protests in history, in competition only with the Tea Party rallies here in 2009. The '14 protests were over a different encroachment of Beijing power, but they're related. The protesters are basically asking Beijing to honor the handover agreement from the handover of HK in 1997, but that's not on the agenda for Beijing.

The funny part, in a sad way, is that Beijing (and really, Xi Jinping, who is a power-loving monster) created a no-win situation for themselves. If they had not overreached, none of this would be happening. Now that it is happening, there is no way out that won't weaken their legitimacy to rule, in the eyes of the Chinese people.

If they repeat Tiananmen (which, believe it or not, was much more of a fuckup than a planned slaughter, but that's complicated and I don't want to go into it now), they have several problems. First, they cannot memory hole it the way they have done to Tiananmen. Cell phone videos make that impossible. Second, having the People's Liberation Army slaughter Chinese people a second time will break the army, though exactly how is not clear. The PLA is the major reason that China refers to Tiananmen as "an incident" rather than as the suppression of a counter-revolution. The PLA considered it a blot on their honor, and the students to be innocent, and threatened public protests if the official histories blamed the students.

But if they accede to the protesters, they are admitting to being wrong, which won't be as serious a blow to their legitimacy, but will still erode it and cause problems and, eventually, could lead to their downfall. (I'm horribly oversimplifying, but it's Chinese culture; it is almost impossible not to oversimplify.)

No, we should not send troops. But yes, we should absolutely give moral support, and refuge to any Hong Kongers who flee whatever happens. The fact that Pelosi(!) is supporting the protesters blows my mind, and makes me respect her a little. I guess even mummified harridans can get something right once in a while.

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Let me check the tags on my clothes

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I am in full support of Hong Kong. Let Freedom Ring.
I will retain this mindset until I'm shown a reason to think otherwise.

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Pretty much a 'yes I do, but...' on this matter.

Applying some critical thinking to this matter. While I hold no love for any form of communism or its marxist derivatives and therefore support the rights of Hong Kong and Taiwan to be free of such, I do think there is some really seedy and questionable involvement that needs to be considered carefully.

The involvement of the white hats, CIA, and several other governments and politicians, it is enough to think that this isn't all just the people of Hong Kong all on their own at this point. It might have started out like that, but it doesn't look like its going to evolve that way. There is already a good past example in history to pull from. The CIA getting involved in Tibet in the 1960's was a similar movement against the Chinese government.

I respect the desires of the people of Hong Kong, but with those outside influences involved, I don't trust the root of the movement. Some things just aren't passing the sniff test. I can guess at who is involved and the reasons behind why and what their involvement nets them. Each has a different reason and a different thing to gain. It isn't unusual that those with differing agendas will all agree upon the same course of action because such an action aligns at the time. I believe that every outside influence involved in these protests has their own agenda and I don't put it past them all to agree upon involvement now and sort out their prizes along with who wins the agenda war later.

If the past is anything to go from, no one is going to win from this, and it certainly is not going to be the people of Hong Kong. Although, I really hope they could.

Neither the US or UK militaries should become involved or entangled in any of this. It is not our land, people, or culture. Freedom and democracy can't be forced onto a people, they have to fight for it themselves. What I can do, is support the democracy and freedoms in my own country which are being attacked by the chinese government through its influence in our business and economy. Since they are using money to do it, then I can do the same. Where possible, I refuse to buy the products or use the services of businesses and people that choose to march to the drum of communist regimes like China when it cracks its whip to try and control or censor the freedoms of those of us outside its boundaries. If enough of us did that, it would have a very large impact on these western businesses who refuse to represent our values and customs over the desires of that communist hell hole.

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Hong Kong Protest Leader Joshua Wong has recently been doing some flyin’ around and hobnobbing with the rich, famous and powerful. He went to Berlin and met with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other ‘pro-democracy’ figures like Mayor of Kiev Vitaly Klitschko, who was for awhile himself a Western favorite when the US was actively involved in the color revolution in Ukraine. While there, Wong met with Raed Al Saleh, the head of the White Helmets.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/hong-kong-protest-leader-hangs-out-white-helmets-boss/5688967

https://www.rt.com/news/468518-joshua-wong-white-helmets/

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Smears by association are unworthy of discussion. Wong served prison time for his '14 protests, and got international attention because of it. No big mystery there. And he probably met with anybody who requested it. He certainly met with lefty Dems here in the US. So what? He's looking for support for his cause, not doing endless detective work on every political faction of every country he visits to satisfy the local prejudices or conspiracy theorists.

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how many smears before it sticks?

This photo shows a US diplomat meeting with Hong Kong protest leaders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaE4cmBP6mk

American Gov’t, NGOs Fuel and Fund Hong Kong Anti-Extradition Protests

https://www.mintpressnews.com/hong-kong-protests/259202/

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So when US diplomats met with Lech Walesa, that meant that the Polish Solidarity movement was no longer legit?

Take off the tinfoil hat, dude. Of course diplomats met with protest leaders. They're protesting for freedom against a communist regime.

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Yes insofar as I don't believe we should donate American troops or blood to the cause. I don't even believe we should make it a sticking point in our trade negotiations. Does Hong Kong fight the subversive communist elements of my government, educational systems, and citizenry known as antifa? Truth is we've all got our own problems we're not handling properly and we've spent decades supposedly trying to bring democracy to people that have no interest in it and actively reject it. The protesters wave our flags b/c we're in much better shape. The truth is we're both wounded animals on the chopping block. The same idiots obsessed w/ fascists would let corporations like facebook track their every movement and ascribe some noble purpose to their invasion of privacy.

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So we shouldn't even provide moral and rhetorical support of the variety we did to the dissidents in the USSR in the '80s?

The protesters don't wave our flags because of our economy, they wave them because they're symbols of freedom. That is something we should encourage, not go "oh, but we're awful, too." The US ain't perfect, but we don't harvest organs of political prisoners or starve peasants for ideological reasons.

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Hong Kong Protests Stealthily Engineered By CIA into Fake Rebellion Against China

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"Pics showed CIA agents mingling with the leaders of the Hong Kong protest. One of them was later caught in photos, holding big rocks to provoke and start violence during the protest."

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