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> As the population declines, traditional gender roles and careers are leading many to forgo childbirth

> The outcry created this month by Seoul city government’s advice for expectant mothers – including tips on how to cater to their husband’s every need while heavily pregnant – has reignited the debate over why so many South Korean women are choosing not to have children.

> The guidelines, issued by the city’s pregnancy and childbirth information centre, were taken down in response to online fury, but not before they had provided a telling insight into attitudes towards gender roles in South Korea, one of the world’s most advanced economies.

> Women should keep their weight in check, the advice went, by gazing at clothes they wore before they were pregnant. As they reach their due date, they should ensure that their husbands have enough ready meals and changes of clothes to sustain them for the few days they are left to fend for themselves.

> And when they return home with the new addition to the family, they should avoid the postnatal “dishevelled” look by slipping on a hair band.

>> As the population declines, traditional gender roles and careers are leading many to forgo childbirth >> The outcry created this month by Seoul city government’s advice for expectant mothers – including tips on how to cater to their husband’s every need while heavily pregnant – has reignited the debate over why so many South Korean women are choosing not to have children. >> The guidelines, issued by the city’s pregnancy and childbirth information centre, were taken down in response to online fury, but not before they had provided a telling insight into attitudes towards gender roles in South Korea, one of the world’s most advanced economies. >> Women should keep their weight in check, the advice went, by gazing at clothes they wore before they were pregnant. As they reach their due date, they should ensure that their husbands have enough ready meals and changes of clothes to sustain them for the few days they are left to fend for themselves. >> And when they return home with the new addition to the family, they should avoid the postnatal “dishevelled” look by slipping on a hair band.

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the world has utterly gone to shit

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This is a process occurring throughout the developed world, and it is engineered to have this effect. Imagine telling several generations of American people:

"The government is now in the business of sending your kids to school on the basis of debt. The government is now issuing loans to the future labor force of this country, and they'll be at interest rates higher than commercial banks receive, and they won't be dissolvable through bankruptcy. Since we're artificially increasing the supply of college degrees, the demand is going to drive down the wages afforded by the degree, but simultaneously make them so common that every employer will require them. Now almost any menial job in this country is going to require a degree, forcing our young people into four more years of (non-specific) education at the expense of four years of experience and income from entering the workforce. By the time they get through, their degree will already be deflated in value significantly from the day they began college, and with time, that very degree's earning potential will continue to deflate long after they are out of school.

They'll come out of school with a worthless piece of paper and 50k in debt, entering a labor market that we've simultaneously been flooding with foreigners (whose educational costs we've subsidized, leaving them debt-free). Your kids will have a negative net worth to start life, and earning potential (dollar-for-dollar) that is crippled compared to what their parents and grandparents had with only a high school diploma. Meanwhile, the basic price index for everything will be increasing, and with all of the subsidized demand for college degrees, the cost of attending college will climb hugely. Additionally, by making the bachelors degree the de facto new high school diploma, then professional work (requiring licensure) will just slide their requirements to require education beyond the all-too-common bachelors degree. Now your kids will be looking at six years of additional school for that Masters degree, and starting incomes of $50-60k in a good year!

The simultaneous doubling in the workforce that's occurred just as the result of feminism alone means all wage real value has declined, and that will mean both men and women will have to work, and work more for the same amount of money. By the time they've each spent 50-60 hours outside of the home every week just to make ends meet for themselves, the thought of children might break them!"

WHY can't these generations get it together!? Why aren't they having more babies!?

I wonder how society ever made it before the college degree saved us. Just how in the hell was any professional work carried on before people had masters degrees? How didn't we fall right the fuck apart? It's almost as if they aren't necessary for the vast, vast majority of jobs, and instead they've been a construct engineered to start whole generations out in the hole so that their lifetime wealth accumulation is crippled. It's almost as if it was meant to widen the wealth divide unimaginably.

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Having children isnt a luxury its a blessing. When you live a life of sin, expect no blessing

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Tell that to the millions of welfare babies with no father.

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I wish theyd listen, the fathers that do the opposite

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The fact that Koreans think most women need to work full time outside the home is the problem.

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'Luxuries I can't afford' They don't have child support there?