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We are allowing accounts above level 6 to look at which accounts vote on posts and how they vote. Our intention with this feature is to provide greater transparency on the site. We want to provide as much transparency as possible on poal. However allowing brand new accounts that haven't participated access to this feature would probably be abused. We may adjust the level in the future. However for now this is a test case to see how it helps with the brigading problems we have had over the past few weeks.

Someone noticing they are constantly getting downvoted by same accounts can report them to admins' PM, in which case we will review the situation and act accordingly, and as usual, those actions will be documented in /s/sitebans and the site logs.

Thanks to @AOU for all his hard work on poal.co

Sincerely Boobs2.

EDIT: We have modified the feature to just show downvoters account names. After discussing it at length with the community this seems like a better option.

We are allowing accounts above level 6 to look at which accounts vote on posts and how they vote. Our intention with this feature is to provide greater transparency on the site. We want to provide as much transparency as possible on poal. However allowing brand new accounts that haven't participated access to this feature would probably be abused. We may adjust the level in the future. However for now this is a test case to see how it helps with the brigading problems we have had over the past few weeks. Someone noticing they are constantly getting downvoted by same accounts can report them to admins' PM, in which case we will review the situation and act accordingly, and as usual, those actions will be documented in /s/sitebans and the site logs. Thanks to @AOU for all his hard work on poal.co Sincerely Boobs2. EDIT: We have modified the feature to just show downvoters account names. After discussing it at length with the community this seems like a better option.

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[–] [deleted] • 9 pts

If I'm being honest, this kinda makes me not want to interact with posts.

[–] • 3 pts

Why not? I am genuinely curious what your opinion is.

[–] [deleted] • 8 pts

People won't vote honestly when their username is attached to the vote. When the site becomes bigger it gives ammunition for witch hunts.

I don't mind that the admins can see everything cause they have to be able to audit things, but I just don't see the point when it comes to the average user. I definitely don't want to know how other users voted, I have no reason to.

[–] • 2 pts

I think in for the most part people won't be dissuaded from upvoteing, but they will be more hesitant to downvote. The reason I think this could be a good thing is downvotes should be used sparingly and for spam, this makes the downvote button more like a report spam button without completely negating its use.

[–] • 0 pt

I understand your concern.

I also believe words are more important than a silent vote.

[–] • 6 pts

This is a very long video, but it’s one of the better argumentations for secret ballots that I’ve seen:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1gEz__sMVaY

But as a more simple example, this kills poals for porn, maybe that’s intentional but something to consider.

If you are worried about repeat brigadiers maybe show a hashed (with secret salt) version of the username.

[–] • 2 pts

Thanks I will check it out.

[–] • 1 pt

So I watched the video and formulated at what I would say has to be a consideration in a system like poal.I would say it at least should be a consideration in most scenarios what you have a secret ballot system, each person in theory only has a single voat. The nature of having anonymous users means each user in effect can have unlimited votes. That was the nature of the problem we were having. In a normal voting system where each person is accountable for their vote, secret ballot protects them. I don't think the same translates here. Here having a secret ballot system allows the same person to vote multiple times on the same system and even sell those votes should they be so inclined. Hence the manipulation you have on reddit and voat, I believe this new system that makes users accountable for their downvotes serves 2 functions, 1 it forces people to think before downvoting and makes it much harder to use the downvote button as an I disagree button or an I don't like you button, and 2 forces people who would suppress content to be accountable for it.

[–] • 7 pts

VileMage upvoted this post.

I always knew VileMage was a Jew.
( ͠° ͟ʖ ͠°)

[–] • 4 pts

You dropped this

( ͠° ͟ʖ ͠°)~(

[–] • 4 pts

DAMN YOU JEWISH SHILLS! in all seriousness, I'm really trying here.

[–] • 6 pts

Ok I take back some of my earlier hedging against this.

Looking at my recent innocuous post https://poal.co/s/wii/9844 then looking at voting history, you can see people downvote, switch to alt then downvote again. Great too since some of the accounts are sleeper accounts (don't really post or comment).

In the words of Sauron --- "I.......SEE.......YOU"

[–] • 6 pts

this is the intended effect.

[–] • 2 pts

By giving this power to established users, you're also increasing the incentive to manipulate votes. If someone dislikes another user, getting them downvoted below level 6 is a way to 'hurt' them.

Can you really detect and adjust for all the various ways that people might try to game the system? If you can't, you may just be fanning the flames. Good luck with it anyway.

[–] • 3 pts

You have a good point. If this change ends up not working out for the better we will roll it back. Its just us trying something if it doesn't turn out to be for the better we can always change it back.

[–] • 2 pts

I like the idea. We'll see how it plays out.

[–] • 1 pt

I wasn’t aware we had levels what’s mine

[–] • 1 pt

we do have levels and yours is currently 2

[–] • 1 pt

I’ve leveled up faster on Battlefield

[–] • 0 pt

That’s the only limitation based on account level.

You need to participate more (quality content and comments), so the community will upvote you and you’ll be able to see who downvotes you.

[–] • 1 pt

Thanks. It's nice to have confirmation.

[–] • 1 pt

Elite access. Nice. Will there be warez and ASCII porn files?

[–] • 1 pt

yes there will be ASCII porn files, warez is unclear.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

It sucks that measures like this have to be made just because of a small band of faggots that have nothing better to do.

[–] • 3 pts

You are right it does suck, but at the end of the day necessity is the mother of invention. So I hope we can use these disruptions to find better solutions that solve the problem.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

Newbie asking another question. What's the difference between level 6, 7, and so on ?

[–] • 0 pt

for the moment that feature.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt (edited )

How does one qualify for level 7 if they're at level 6? I'm curious is all.

[–] • 0 pt

currently the system works on over all points. If you really want the specifics I can find them but off the top of my head I do not know. I know it takes over 500 points to achieve level 6. I am more than willing to look it up if you want.