Worship God and God alone.
Do not make any graven image or idols. (It's okay to break this one if you are making an Idol of Jesus, or Mary, or if you are making religious art, I don't think they count).
Do not take the Lord's name in vain. (you cannot use God's name as a curse, and you cannot claim to speak for God without his blessing to do so, directly quoting God is okay though, since they are his words, and not your own)
Remember the Sabbath. (Do not work on a sabbath day, do not take leisure on a sabbath day, instead spend the day in prayer, worship, and reflection, keep it holy)
Honor thy father and thy mother (Okay, so people are telling me that Jesus broke this one, but Jesus is perfect, so he didn't, that or it doesn't mean what those people think it means)
Thou shalt not Murder. (the one you tagged me on, "murder" doesn't means the same thing as "kill", it means to "kill unlawfully", what is the relevance of this commandment here?)
Thou shalt not commit adultery (if a woman takes a man married to another, or a man takes a woman married to another, or a man and woman have intercourse outside of the context of marriage, they are to both be taken before a crowd and put to death by stoning, I think it's a law we definitely need to have right now)
Thou shalt not Steal (Keep in mind that simply taking from other people is not always stealing, again, just like killing, the importance is that it is unlawful, there are a lot of examples of times when it was rightful for the Hebrews to take things from other peoples, just as there were times when it was okay to kill other peoples, it all depends on if God endorses this particular case or not, if you have God's blessing to take it, you can take whatever it is that you want)
Thou shat not bear false witness against your neighbor (this obviously only applies to those of the same people as yourself, as Moses himself had accused other people of occupying land that had previously belonged to his people as justification for slaughtering them, even though his people had never dwelt there before, tat was okay, because his false testimony was not against one of his neighbors, but against another tribe of people)
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, or ass, or house, or anything else that belongs to thy neighbor (basically, you cannot desire what another member of your people has, any of their properties, i really don't understand how to enforce this one, but God's wisdom is beyond our understanding)
Look, if anything conflicts between Jesus and the other parts, then you go with that red text of Christ, He is God, and his words are the direct word of the Lord almighty, everything else was more distantly retold and transcribed, so you can't have as much trust in it, but you can trust the words of Jesus.
What is your point here? Killing atheists is no big deal since they incurred the death penalty by breaking rule #1, thus it's not murder to kill them.
It's the only unforgivable sin aside from suicide, except in the case of Judas, who according to his book, was saved after taking his life in remorse over betraying Christ to the Roman judges, even though he only did it because Jesus asked him to since it was a requirement for mankind to be redeemed for original sin. I don't think Judas's suicide counts because of the extraordinary circumstances around it, so it makes sense not to think of it like a suicide you might commit for being from emo atheist goth nihlist.
>Thou shalt not Murder. (the one you tagged me on, "murder" doesn't means the same thing as "kill", it means to "kill unlawfully", what is the relevance of this commandment here)?
This...
>Reward hatred with love for your enemies, if they take from you, give them more than they ask, if they strike you, open yourself up to them, do good for those who persecute you, and you lump burning coals upon their heads.
Thanks god charles martel didn't reward muslim invaders with love and openness... Thanks god he didn't do good on those who came from the barbary coast to murder and enslave europeans... He fought and slayed them all and that's precisely why europe remained christian
That's not what Jesus commanded.
Where in Christ's word was it said: "hate your enemies, kill your enemies, pay evil unto evil, an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"? He distinctly brought it up in order to say that his followers should do the opposite.
The quotes I'm using are paraphrased from memory, but I remember them being his position, being raised to believe that Jesus was the final incarnation of God, and the most authoritative person in the history of the world, the king of kings, the light of the world, lord and savior of men.
The purpose of Christianity is salvation from sin, eternal life after death, not the propagation of the religion. To permit the enemy to wound your flesh is not submission to evil, the body is but a vessel of the soul, borne out of dust and into sin, and to be a martyr is glorious, keeping you in the company of Christ and his Disciples and countless saints.
To permit them to lead you astray from the light and grace, to violate the commands of the Son of God, that is submission, it is to allow the enemy to wound your soul, I hope Charles Martel asked for forgiveness and sought redemption after his battle..
God may have cursed him and his people for waging war without God's command, I know the church endorsed the crusades after that victory, and they were cursed also.
Unless you can find a place in the red text that grants some exemption that justified the actions of Martel, I'll have to stick with the Shepard as I know him on this one. You appeal to the things that Jesus told you not to care for, the things he told you to hate if it got in the way of following him, he said you must hate your brethren and yourself to be his disciple, yet you appeal to the victimization of brethren and ultimately the survival of brethren as the justification of turning away the outsider, striking the persecutor, and making yourself less in the eyes of God.
Only the Bible can override the Bible, practical concerns are Earthly and sinful. Read the Bible, pray to God for guidance, get back in touch with Jesus. If his word were not perfect, he would not have said it, at the very least he would have returned to correct any error, so the fact that the rapture has not occurred yet, is a sign that the interpretation is solid, and therefore it is evident that most people will not be saved.
Most people care more for this vanishing material world, which belongs to the devil, than the infinite worlds beyond, which stand forever and ever.
God is an awesome God, and he does reign, if things are the way they are, it's because this is the right way for things to be, our fates exist to test us and to reward or punish us for living up to his perfect standard, We all need more listening to Jesus, and less listening to atheists.
>That's not what Jesus commanded.
And? You would have preferred that your ancestors met the same fate as the cathars for instance? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism#Annihilation
Because without charles martel... You wouldn't be christian,western christianity wouldn't even be a thing to put it simplly
Thanks god for the shepherd dog...
God created charles martel for a reason, don't forget that. He probably knew the herd of sheep would have been powerless against the wolves
>Unless you can find a place in the red text that grants some exemption that justified the actions of Martel,
Letting your kind getting murdered and enslaved by hordes of barbarians for virtue signal points in order to get your ticket to heaven is immoral.... Just as immoral as letting your family getting slaughtered by retarded murderers for the exact same reason
It's "murder", not "kill", for a reason
If you can't make the difference between murder and self defense you're an idiot
And yes, it was self defense, muslims were invading us to subjugate us, by force of arms
You don't get that you get nothing
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